[1.0.x] [Nemesis/HC] BlackDivine's Rain of Arrows - Updated 13th Feb
" Read what type of bows he recommends, and then read how Hatred works. If you get a high phys bow, which I don't know why you would as RoA scales better with ele bows unless of course, you end up with Lioneye's, then yea run Hatred. |
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" well correct me if im wrong, but roa increase your physical damage, both hatred, and added fire damage scale off physical. i mean i guess if you are going an ele bow with increased elemental damage i guess it makes sense. but going heavy physical with hatred, added fire, getting oak in cruel and something like this makes more sense. it still has the same life and it has 1% less mana reservation reduction. i dont know maybe im doing bad math Last edited by gnuworldorder#1563 on Nov 28, 2013, 11:42:57 AM
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I've got a question, how much dps should I get for example at 80 lvl with 3 auras and lioneye's bow?
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" this is so wrong, physical damage scales so much better. It's easier to go elemental because you can take whatever bow you want, but it's good only until you want to reach better DPS. In order to do that, yes you'll have to take elemental damage on your gear, BUT you need a pure physical damage bow and scale it with passives and hatred. There are almost no elemental passives on the tree, and mobs resists > mobs armor. Last time OP told you about his DPS it was 2.2k, my lvl 87 RoA ranger with a pure physical bow (not even a lioneyes) and a well build passive tree around that has more than 7k+ with frenzy charges on and hatred, 13k with my group (anger, wrath, haste running), and I was running BM gem and Life leech in a 5L (which is impossible for this elemental build). Those numbers are just impossible to reach even with a godly elemental bow. If you're going with a good physical bow and you're building your tree around it (it's no surprise you guys think it's shit as your passive tree is not build in that way), RIP elemental. IGN : @Morgoth Last edited by Morgoth2356#3009 on Nov 29, 2013, 4:08:34 AM
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" Because my bow's not high physical. It's a mix. If I had, lets say Lioneye's I would have been running hatred for sure. " I agree with your first part. There are very few Ele damage nodes, phys scales better and now with new amazing phys rolls for 2H weps it's even better. But it's very misleading to compare my lvl 74 DPS with a shit bow to your lvl 87.. ------- TL;DR, if your bow does physical only damage (no high ele rolls) you might do better with hatred. What's the pain in running different auras and reading your DPS tooltip? See what does more damage and go for it. PS: I run Anger because it adds flat damage. It doesn't matter if your bow is 1 DPS or 100. You'll get the same amount. https://mysocials.world/divine Last edited by blackdivine#1394 on Nov 29, 2013, 4:37:31 AM
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I dont want to compare your lvl74 dps with my lvl87 dps, what I want to say is even if I stay lvl87 and you go lvl100, you get a godly tri-ele bow, godly ele gloves and jewelry and a tree build around that, you wont get close to someone with a good physical bow (not even a lioneyes) and some dps (elemental or not) on his jewelry/gloves and a build around that. It's not about our 2 specific characters, it's a matter of general potential : both with the best gear in the world, same level and optimal passive tree, the elemental archer can't get close in terms of DPS to the ranger going with a physical bow and a passive tree build around it.
You're saying "if your bow does physical only damage (no high ele rolls) you might do better with hatred", so the other part would be "if your bow has high ele rolls, you might do better with anger or wrath". But the question is not "I have that type of bow, what build and auras are better ?", because of course if you have an elemental bow, elemental build and flat elemental auras are better. The question is : "I'm playing a ranger RoA spec, what build and gear are better ?". You're not making a build for people that have a certain type of weapon, but the build is there to tell what type of gear and spec are optimal, and for RoA, no question, physical bow all the way trust me. It's the same thing with people in this thread saying elemental is better but when someone ask why the build is not using hatred they say "because we're using elemental bows, but if you get a lioneye's, run hatred of course". In other words "we're running an average spec but if you can go full physical, go for it". Elemental is good until a certain point, it's good for leveling because you can take whatever bow you want and all that. Anger is nice because it adds a flat damage bonus and it provides a "direct" dps boost, while hatred need a good physical bow, physical passives, maybe iron grip to be the better guy. But once you want to reach a certain level, physical spec and bow are way better. IGN : @Morgoth Last edited by Morgoth2356#3009 on Nov 29, 2013, 5:02:18 AM
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" I completely agree with the post and so did I with the previous post :) You summed up things pretty good. And my point is not against what you are saying, I am just saying to make good use of what you have or can afford. See which auras give you good DPS for your current setup and go with it for the while. It's obvious to level all the auras as much as you. As you can see in my gear. https://mysocials.world/divine
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So I'm at lvl 56 now, was progressing very nicely but started to hold back spending points about 21 levels ago. Now that my single target damage is crap it's time to look at what I'd like to do with the build. Initially I wanted to skip out on going past the templar area (stop at the 3 elemental damage cluster nodes) and grab more life, more def and a bunch of physical bow damage passives that are closer to the Ranger area.
After looking at a few builds since I have no experience with Rangers/bow builds it appears that everyone is running auras for damage and take very little or if any physical bow damage nodes. My question is, is specing into physical bow damage nodes that bad if you want to build a tank RoA ranger based on mostly physical damage? I'd like to use a Chin Sol for my particular build and running Grace+Hatred. Last edited by thewretched#1618 on Nov 30, 2013, 4:14:58 PM
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how is this RoA poison arrow combo for leveling/end game working still, after the poison arrow nerf? I am looking to reroll with something ranged, after dieing on a freezing pulse shadow
Chris plz
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" Just follow the build and keep levelling a reduced mana gem, you'll soon be able to run 2 auras on your mana with 0 investments in reduced mana nodes. Doing the same myself. and Physical dmg nodes are by no way bad. They will work fine with ChinSol, but proj damage nodes are attractive because their damage increase apply to all the damage you do with the bow (ele and phys). Also attack speed because free aura damage gets applied faster n faster :) but make sure you are doing fine in whatever area you currently are HP/Armor wise and then take damage. I started taking damage nodes exclusively after level 70. Before that it was situation based. " Poison arrow is really meh now end-game, should still be good for levelling. RIP bro, and Good Luck. https://mysocials.world/divine
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