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Mezmerizi wrote:

I'm a firm believer of economics and to an extent market efficiency. Prices are dictated by supply and demand. All it takes is a buyer and a seller to create a market. Simple as that. It doesn't matter what you think is worth or what I think is worth. If something is priced at 1000 exalts and there is a buyer for it then there's a market at that price.

You claim all these people have low IQs, yet you are bewildered by the increase in prices of 4-6 top mods items. According to your thinking, price of such rares should decrease with the introduction of eternal orb. Yet you fail to account for numerous variables. One being inflation. For example, 4 months ago exalt to chaos used to be 1:50. Now it's 1:25. With that in mind, 6L Shavronne's used to be 30 exalts and now they are 60-70 exalts. As you can see the value of Shavronne's stayed the same, only that the value of exalt has gone down 50% relative to other orbs. Thus we see a 100% increase in price of items.

lol? firm believer in economics? you talk as if there needs to be faith in economy as if anyone in the world is questioning existence of economics. question really comes down to what kind of economics you believe which you didn't state and while some aspects of real economic trends and concepts apply to this game, some don't for obvious reasons.

well no shit prices are dictated by supply and demand. funny you say this yet I don't see anyone offering 100ex for most of those items listed. its really funny coming this from you since you insisted your sub standard wand was mirror worthy and yet no one mirrorered your wand except that one scrub and this was back when mirror was worth 50ex. in fact your wand never got offered more than 35ex.

4months ago back when I was playing it wasn't 1:50 ex-chaos. most of the incidnents with you I am referring to happened during point when it was at a stable 1:10gcp 1:30chaos rate for like month and half and it spiked up to 1:13gcp which point is when I took a break and I come back and it seems about same. if anything chaos value went up and I see plenty people trading 1:25 rate. if it is true that it went up to 1:50 chaos rate at some point during past 4month, it should be more of a reason for these rares to not be anywhere near those prices.

and during 1:10gcp 1:30chaos days, 6l shavs were 50ex. in fact I don't even remember it being 30ex except for short period of time it was put into game. its value went up cuase low life build became well known and popular and shav is necessary for that build.

stop exaggerating orb inflation cuase its not too different from how it was when I left 4 months ago, biggest changes are rare prices and as I stated, I don't see anyone mirroring most of those items on list and definitely don't see anyone offering anywhere near 100ex for most of those items.


you talk of supply and demand yet no ones mirroring your stuff other than that dagger. and considering just few weeks ago mirrors were worth like 80-90ex, the biggest factor driving mirror price isn't your rares, its the people running rmt sites stocking up on mirror cause its the best selling item for these rmt sites.


if you think that other low iq scrubs wand and those es boots are wroth 150ex, you clearly have no understanding of poe market.



all In all, as I stated there is natural ceiling for how much an item is wroth in this game unless its literally perfect roll item. its inevitable due to the fact that currency is crafting material and there is general probability and math behind X%-standard item being crafted. you and your low iq and your inability to grasp this isn't my problem. only ones that would pay these prices are clearly ones who bought their orbs from rmt sites and have no concept of poe market.




oh and If crafting costs as much as you claim, extent of 700ex, there no way YOU would have crafted it cuase you would have went broke. unless of course you buy your orbs which is always a possibility. you had about 200ex of orbs and stuff (rough estimation on high end)4months back and you expect me to believe you gathered up 700ex in few months after to be able to throw it away blowing through eternals and ex?



edit: my bad I thought you were kolp but really doesn't change the fact that you don't understand.

So much anger, this is a game people. A game.

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kolp wrote:

fine, you win then...not going to continue to argue with someone that has such a skewed understanding.

please add me in game so you can teach me the intricacies of POE- I haveno idea what I'm doing...

btw,if my items aren't worth 100ex, I'll be sure to let the guy that offered 450ex for my dagger know that....

i didn't say you didn't know what you are doing. you clearly know how to craft efficiently which is why you continue to craft and profit. that doenst mean you have any understanding of other stuff tho.

and i couldn't care less about some guy that offered you 450ex for it. what makes you think ill believe he is legit, and if he was, what makes you think he doesn't have low iq like you? he clearly bought those orbs from rmt sites if he really offered you that and have no understanding about math behind crafting.

seriously you should go read that tyrith low iq guy and realize he didn't even know affixes are limited to certain item slots. he thought there are 20 suffix for wands... funny how ones that think like you are all these clueless low iq scrubs isn't it.


one low iq person willing to pay 450ex for that dagger doesn't mean its worth that. and why you didn't take the offer and run is beyond me. that guy is classic case of low iq person not knowing the difference between wtb and wts, and thought your dagger was really worth that cause he sees all these thread trying sell "300ex+" items like its nothing.



edit: if it makes you feel better, that 540pdps sword and your dagger is I guess mirror worthy altho I personally wouldn't and cant afford 150ex. still doesn't change the fact the pretty much rest of the items you and others have listed isn't. and while the dagger maybe worth spending 150ex on for a copy, its still not worth 450ex.

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BRINGdaBACON wrote:

So much anger, this is a game people. A game.

i don't think anyones really angry. i am shocked and amazed at how low iq scrubs view their world and this game tho. its fascinating really.

oh and considering people that play games like this spend more time playing games than anything else in life by far, its kind of silly to think its merely a game. some people even make living off games like this. this game genre attracts more basement dwellers than any other game genres by far.

Essays... essays everywhere.

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awesome04000 wrote:

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BRINGdaBACON wrote:

So much anger, this is a game people. A game.

i don't think anyones really angry. i am shocked and amazed at how low iq scrubs view their world and this game tho. its fascinating really.

oh and considering people that play games like this spend more time playing games than anything else in life by far, its kind of silly to think its merely a game. some people even make living off games like this. this game genre attracts more basement dwellers than any other game genres by far.

Verified non-basement dweller here. Yes, you sound very angry. Since when has it been a bad thing for someone to offer a service and request a payment. If you feel this is not a mutually equal deal you can do what any sensible person would do, move along and let it go. If you feel your protecting some noob who will mistakenly take this deal think to yourself for just a moment, would a noob have this kind of crafting currency at their disposal. People can make educated decisions on their own. We do not need your insight on who and who does not have low iq. In fact a person that would belittle somebody based on intelligence tells me more than i need to know about said persons ego, self worth, and overall respect for human beings. I am not agreeing or disagreeing with you, this is a free market to trade. Make a purchase or trade at your own risk.

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BRINGdaBACON wrote:

Verified non-basement dweller here. Yes, you sound very angry. Since when has it been a bad thing for someone to offer a service and request a payment. If you feel this is not a mutually equal deal you can do what any sensible person would do, move along and let it go. If you feel your protecting some noob who will mistakenly take this deal think to yourself for just a moment, would a noob have this kind of crafting currency at their disposal. People can make educated decisions on their own. We do not need your insight on who and who does not have low iq. In fact a person that would belittle somebody based on intelligence tells me more than i need to know about said persons ego, self worth, and overall respect for human beings. I am not agreeing or disagreeing with you, this is a free market to trade. Make a purchase or trade at your own risk.

ok I am mad you got me. when did I say it was bad thing that someone offers service for a payment? you are right that most people would let it go but I do find enjoyment in letting low iq scrubs realize what they are. and really I am not trying to do any protecting for some noobs. considering theres no organized way of trading, all these threads and all the bs that happens with fake bidding and all actually does interfere with overall trading and item pricing in a surprisingly big ways.

"for just a moment, would a noob have this kind of crafting currency at their disposal."

yea you are right cuase finding a shav or kaoms or mirror takes so much skill. all you have to with play a lot to build wealth in games like this and it doesn't take much game knowledge or skills to play a lot.,, so yea a complete low iq noob can easily build up 1000ex considering there are plenty even lower iq noobs to profit off of.

a person that would belittle somebody based on intelligence has ego, self worth, and respect problems? well that's fine cuase that would just mean everyone has these problems. and really I am not belittling their low iq, I am belittling their lack of and skewed knowledge of game and market, which is highly correlated to their low iq, so why not just go to the source and point out their problems at the base instead of giving them complicated reasons why they are clueless.

I don't need you to agree or disagree with me and this is a free market, which is precisely why I can make these posts regarding mirror and mirror worthy items. how do you know I am not a potential customer with mirror making these posts to figure out what other people thought? do people not read reviews before they purchase things? do people not seek others opinion before they purchase things?


and despite all you've said, you came back just like I come to check up on this thread, funny how things work like this. why don't you just move along and ignore this thread like you advised me to do.

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Blastrophe wrote:

Essays... essays everywhere.

what can I say? I love typing posts on poe trade forums. and as much as I don't like typing and writing, its just something that has to be done to get point across. while I have made pretty decent argument for my case, all others have done is talk about how I don't know about crafting and market and that's it.

and your belt is not mirror worthy at all. 2 of the mods are not top tier and one of them not even 2nd tier. biggest problem is that it doesn't have chaos resist which all life builds need. there are flask suffix on belts making it more harder to craft than say a chest, but its still relatively easy and cheap to craft belt like that ever since eternal orbs.

if that belt had just 4 mods %ele, life, armor, and one resist, how much you think that belt would be worth? youd be lucky to get 10-20ex for such belt. do you really think getting 35 and 30 resist mod after is such a challenging task considering small suffix mod pool on belts?


I see that 2 people have mirrored your belt before the recent spike in mirror price. guarantee they either bought it off rmt site or found it cuase anyone building properly would want a chaos resist belt, especially if they are going spend enough to mirror it.

best thread ever...

1- epuff, sorry this got derailed so bad
2- bacon, thanks for you're rational comments. Alas, they fall on mostly deaf ears.
3- awesome, I can appreciate that we have differing opinions, but calling people "low iq noobs, scrubs", etc makes you look angry and bitter. Grow up. Honestly, most of your posts could be reported and mod edited your so derogatory and flaming.

Lighten up Francis

I'm out

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awesome04000 wrote:

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Blastrophe wrote:

Essays... essays everywhere.

what can I say? I love typing posts on poe trade forums. and as much as I don't like typing and writing, its just something that has to be done to get point across. while I have made pretty decent argument for my case, all others have done is talk about how I don't know about crafting and market and that's it.

and your belt is not mirror worthy at all. 2 of the mods are not top tier and one of them not even 2nd tier. biggest problem is that it doesn't have chaos resist which all life builds need. there are flask suffix on belts making it more harder to craft than say a chest, but its still relatively easy and cheap to craft belt like that ever since eternal orbs.

if that belt had just 4 mods %ele, life, armor, and one resist, how much you think that belt would be worth? youd be lucky to get 10-20ex for such belt. do you really think getting 35 and 30 resist mod after is such a challenging task considering small suffix mod pool on belts?


I see that 2 people have mirrored your belt before the recent spike in mirror price. guarantee they either bought it off rmt site or found it cuase anyone building properly would want a chaos resist belt, especially if they are going spend enough to mirror it.

Its been mirrored twice I stopped reading after I read the first part of what seems to be a poorly started paragraph two. Sorry you wasted your time typing out such stupidity.