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Tyrlith wrote:

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awesome04000 wrote:

none of those items are worth over 100ex other than that 540pdps sword despite these nuts trying to sell for 200-300ex. I hope you realize most of these nut jobs that own these items all know each other and are map buddies and fake bid on each others item.

please o magic lord of rng, craft me a better wand than mine for 100 ex, and ill gladly give you 135 for it.

1, there are many affixes.
2, there are variances between affixes
3, getting many TOP rolls cost WAY more than a mirror, some items like spirea's helmet costs 300-400 ex to craft all the top mods.
4. the conspiracie theroies are stong withing this one

well in all honestly I iddnt bother checking out every item on that page but really your wand proves my point that not only are you a nut, but you are bad at math and you lack basic game knowledge. I am estimating your iq to be around 80-85 range.

your wand isn't top land top tier spell damage, it didn't land top tier crit multi, and I am not going to waste time checking but pretty sure that's not even top tier spell crit and if it is it goes up to 108% so you didn't even put in divine into your so call "over 135ex" worth wand to make it better. YOUR WAND DOESNT HAVE CAST SPEED. instead its got %fire which is also not top tier. I don't know all the builds in the game but I don't think theres any fire build that doesn't benefit from cast speed on wand. I am pretty sure lightning spork build is the only case where cast speed isn't desired over damage.

1, yes this is true for other slots besides the ones I mentioned
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3, only if its desired mod on a specific slot, and even so it doesn't make it worth 150ex since as I explained there are only like 6 suffix mod available on many slots like chest and boots and getting top roll on them is easy. and no, no helmet worth 300-400 ex to craft even if its all top tier mod since there are only 6 suffix mods that a helm can have. CRAFT COST is not the same as TRADE VALUE
4, low iq is strong within this one.
edit: what I am saying isn't conspiracy theory. just like in real life, there are a lot of scammers that find all sort of way to cheat others in games like this. if your iq wasn't so low, these scams would become obvious.

funny thing is I took a 4month break and the biggest price changes are mirror and these high end rares. ive seen way better wand than yours that never got offered no more than 50ex 4months ago and this was when there wasn't eternal orb and crafting 5-6mod items were way more harder.

I do however believe it did take you more than 100ex to craft that wand considering it DOES take a bit of game knowledge and understanding to craft items efficiently and properly, and with your low iq it probably costed you 200-300ex to craft a wand that doenst even have cast speed.

and once again, I think you are missing the whole point about how trading is supposed to be cheaper than crafting, thus the whole point of trading. just because you spent 200ex crafting your fail wand, it doesn't mean its worth 200ex. sad your low iq cant grasp this simple common sense.

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ePuff wrote:

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awesome04000

Did you not read the 1st page ..

Stay on topic ty

I did read the note on top and don't see what it has to do with anything. and funny thing is this low iq wand guys item doesn't have 4 top tier mods yet its listed.

oh and I don't see how I couldn't be any more on topic considering thread title is MIRROR WORTH ITEMS

Is this my chest anything like it ? Well just putting it in spoiler tags

As soon as some one links a better trapper wand for me to mirror/Buy, ill gladly relinquish the spot.

i know it's not "max top roll" but i've yet to see a wand that can compete with it that is either up for sale or mirrorable.

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awesome04000 wrote:

TLDR:
a bunch of fecal matter, where he insults other people to make himself appear better,
uses uninformed assumptions and generally doesnt understand anything

let me give you some "low-iq" protips, apperantly you need them.

1. Trapper does not benefit from CASTSPEED. (gives Fake dps, and trap activation speed.. woopdeedooo)
A trapper benefits from fire% "fire trap main dmg output"

also you even realise that you dont know all the current builds, yet flap your mouth like you do.
haven't your parents taught you to not speak of things wich you dont know about?

2. why the f, would you want to craft a castpeed wand that directly competes with void battery "8ex" or compete with current Castspeed mirrors out there, and yes there are castspeed mirrors "with significantly worse rolls than my non castspeed wand, wonder why."


3. The reason people sell high end mirrorable items for 200-300 ex, is because they are basicly interest farms untill the next bracket of stats bring better items.
For most crafters this form of income is considered "slow" and not worth doing, Selling them gives them liquidity to craft new rare's the price might be high, but you dont have to buy them do you?

crafters, who make these items actually like crafting new items.. what a shocker...
hence selling what they crafted, be it for a high price or highest C/o

all this so they can continue crafting new items.

there are also people who would buy items to prevent them from being mirrored. "yes they exist"



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The ele/phys wands are simply amazing, i dont wish to debate on how lucky/unlucky people got in crafting/rolling those as a current fellow wand crafted i know the rng involved.

Nowhere did i state that i spend this amount of exalts on my wand, you assume that me challenging you to craft one within those paramaters "basicly a mirror" that that was my actual current cost.

Nor im currently asking 200 ex to "sell" my wand as you would imply, im merely offering it to those who wish to own a copy.

in fact, ive spend 3.5 ex on buying this wand. With "TRADING" i spent rougly 65-75 ex to try and eternal/exalt mana regen "i REROLLED castspeed on it twice" yes. many exalts because the suffix i require is 1 out of 18 POSSIBLE SUFFIXES(2 suffix taken), of wich the mana regen can be several brackets, wich obv i want atleast top or snd. tier

every attempt currently cost 1 ex + 2,5 for eternal 10 attempts 35 ex, 20, 70ex, my math is perfectly fine thank you. (this is about my current cost, i stopped at getting crit mult after getting practicly every other suffix other than mana regen)

unlike you who probably feel their ex is better spent on other things, i prefer to craft. "pixels will be pixels" exalts will be exalts, they come and go and i do not value them as highly as you do it seems.
(perhaps due to being a poor scrub that cant flip items for a profit/earn exalts in another way).

http://www.exaltingpoe.com/ try a blank wand, compare it to a pure Armor chest, ES chest or evasion chest.

The difficulty of eternal/exalting a wand or rolling one is pretty huge, hence any item with perhaps second tier/mixed top tier is worth considering

As i said, many affixes, craft a wand with simular stats Top bracket for under 100 ex, and ill gladly pay you 135 for it. wands just have to many affixes and alot of RNG is involved when eternal/exalting (factor in Augs Alts Eternals Regals Exalts.)

hence
i'd still want to roll mana regen but i've settled for a snd tier crit mult for now.

The helmet im talking about that cost 200/300+ex rolling "all top mods"
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/490908

This thread isn't about trading, this thread is about Mirroring, and the value of a mirror to a person can be influenced by an item he desires to have.

finding an equivalent item to my wand is hard yet i agree could potentially be cheaper, Crafting one for sub 130 ex Will probably be more expensive or break even.
(This has far more to do with Wands being undervalued for their rolls. "agian too many affixes/Too much RNG in making them")

Mirroring a decent one will be a good alternative for some people, you seem to pass off i woudnt pay that for a mirror of your item as everyone's opinion. try not to think that you can decide value for the whole playerbase, my 2cents eventual mirrors/non mirrored items should speak for themselves.


i'm done feeding the troll.

you have obviously no clue about what many of these items are intended for nor the actual cost of creating a good top rolled rare, yet reek of jelly when you rage about them and try to label people as "low-Iq".

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I would vote Kolp's dagger as the #1 mirror worthy item out of all the items listed here. The dps that dagger provides to a melee crit build is absolutely insane. Not even the 540 PDPS 1h sword can come close. Not to mention dagger is a hybrid weapon, so getting those 5 melee specific stats (excluding crit dmg) and rolling them top or 1 tier below top is mathematically improbable.

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awesome04000 wrote:

considering mirrors go for 135ex now, I don't see how any of those items are mirror worthy other than that new 540pdps 1h sword. and considering these nuts charge 20ex for mirror fee, that's 155ex, which is 50 eternal and 50 ex... considering most of these items listed are 4.5-5mod items, they are realistically not even worth half a mirror. not to mention this ignores the whole point that trading for items is supposed to be cheaper, thus trading instead of crafting... and those 6mod items like boots are worth not even 20ex, try selling 5mod boots for 10ex... and those 6mod chest is not even worth 60ex considering there are only 5-6 affixes for prefix and suffix making it way easy to craft 6mod chest/boot/helm/belt.

are people so bad at math that they dont understand with 50 eternal and ex tries, you can almost certainly craft one of these 4.5-5.5 mod items? and even assuming it takes 60-70eternal tries cause you are extremely unlucky, whats the point of not spending another 30ex and having an original item instead of mirror?

none of those items are worth over 100ex other than that 540pdps sword despite these nuts trying to sell for 200-300ex. I hope you realize most of these nut jobs that own these items all know each other and are map buddies and fake bid on each others item.

Spoken like someone who has never crafted a mirror worthy item. If you think that you can "almost certainly" craft one one these items with 50 eternal/exalts, think again. I'll somewhat agree with you that body armors are somewhat easier to craft compared to weapons/jewelry. Of course anything is possible, you could technically craft any one of these items with 1 alt, 1 regal, and 3ex. But you would be more likely to win the powerball 10 times probably. If you need more proof, go see my dagger crafting thread, where I spent over 180 eternals (over 700ex to craft the dagger).

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Mezmerizi wrote:

I would vote Kolp's dagger as the #1 mirror worthy item out of all the items listed here. The dps that dagger provides to a melee crit build is absolutely insane. Not even the 540 PDPS 1h sword can come close. Not to mention dagger is a hybrid weapon, so getting those 5 melee specific stats (excluding crit dmg) and rolling them top or 1 tier below top is mathematically improbable.

Thanks mate :) Although there are some very nice weapons in the OP (that jeweled foil and axe are insane). I agree that even though they have higher dps, if your built for crit the dagger is probably better. Plus, daggers can roll 42 additional mods that the sword/axe can't roll (cold gem, fire gem, light gem, + mana, mana regen, spell crit, spell damage hybrid spell damage) makes crafting a dagger (or wand/sceptor/staff) with all those top physical rolls that much more impressive.

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Mezmerizi wrote:

I would vote Kolp's dagger as the #1 mirror worthy item out of all the items listed here. The dps that dagger provides to a melee crit build is absolutely insane. Not even the 540 PDPS 1h sword can come close. Not to mention dagger is a hybrid weapon, so getting those 5 melee specific stats (excluding crit dmg) and rolling them top or 1 tier below top is mathematically improbable.

both item are godly but i would not choose the dagger as spectral throw skills are coming out, the dagger its too slow for leeching and with the diamond ring do you really need that much crit chance? the sword has 100 extra dps and almost 0.68 more extra atk spd. but if u going for crit chance maybe u should wear two gift from above ring. i just dont think the dps lie. :)

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spiritmoon01 wrote:

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Mezmerizi wrote:

I would vote Kolp's dagger as the #1 mirror worthy item out of all the items listed here. The dps that dagger provides to a melee crit build is absolutely insane. Not even the 540 PDPS 1h sword can come close. Not to mention dagger is a hybrid weapon, so getting those 5 melee specific stats (excluding crit dmg) and rolling them top or 1 tier below top is mathematically improbable.

both item are godly but i would not choose the dagger as spectral throw skills are coming out, the dagger its too slow for leeching and with the diamond ring do you really need that much crit chance? the sword has 100 extra dps and almost 0.68 more extra atk spd. but if u going for crit chance maybe u should wear two gift from above ring. i just dont think the dps lie. :)

You're right. Both are godly. And dps doesn't lie. If I would equip that sword on my shadow instead of the dagger, I would lose a bunch of dps. They are different weapons for different builds.

As far as spectral throw is concerned, since the devs came out yesterday and confirmed that none of the melee passives or gear mods will effect it's damage, it's looking a lot less attractive than people originally thought. I'm not saying it won't be good; I'm simply reserving judgement. We will have to wait and see how viable it will be as a ranged skill.

Yes both are godly but unless you are building an RT based melee build, then the dagger will almost always come out top in terms of dps after crit + accuracy are factored in. In short, 540 pdps sword for RT builds and 440 pdps with 10% crit chance dagger for crit builds.