Lv96 Poutsos' Flicker Nuke - Outdated

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Sblak wrote:

The best way to deal with reflect is to increase your armor. Armor is way more effective than leech. We leech enough already. We just can't handle the truth.

Sure u need armour or more ES,but truth is u need more than 18% life leech for reflect maps to completely recover the reflect damage taken (remember abysus = 50% increased phys damage taken).So for a hit of 15K damage,u need 32.4K armour to only avoid the extra damage from abysus(without endurance charges of course)

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jsn006 wrote:

Hey guys use this to calculate if you will die to reflect or not. Poutsos might want to add to original post. I'm 100% sure this is how it works.

Open your character screen, and look at 'main hand total physical damage' under 'main hand total combined damage' Take the biggest number range. Lets say it is 3000

Now take your crit multi. Lets say around 800%

so 3000 x 8 = 24000 (and nearly double this with a perfect 20/20 CW curse btw, BUT we are not using that vs reflect :P) This is the biggest PER HIT damage you will deal.

Now single reflect is currently 17% so 0.17 x 24000 = 4080
Double reflect is 17+18% = 35% so 0.35 x 24000 = 8400

(Attempting double reflect is nuts tho, I would just use LS or discharge or skip)

Now many of you might think this is where vuln / abyssus comes in, wrong this is the armor calculation part. Because of the way the armor formula works, we cannot multiply by abyssus / vulnerability yet. Because armor negates less with more damage, unlike elemental resists it is not flat x% per y armor. Also those 2 effect damage *taken*, which is calculated after mitigation, like burn damage and shocks.

So now we assume we only have granite, and a perfect one to round things up and keep them simple - so 6k armor. And also 3 end charges:-

We are using the single reflect example - 4080 physical damage is being reflected at us

Effects of 6k armor vs 4080 damage =
6000 / 6000+(12x4080) = 6000 / 54960 = 10.9 % + 3 endurance charges = 22.9% reduction

So we take 0.771 x 4080 = 3145 damage

Now poutsos is telling me abyssus extra damage taken effects this, so a perfect abyssus will bring this to 3145 x 1.5 = 4717.5 ~ 4718 damage taken

What this means is if you have 4719 ES (well 4718 since 1hp is taken into account too) you will survive, as long as your leech is enough to get back that 4718 es in the subsequent hit.

We will need 4718 / 24000 = 19.66% life leech. Around 20-21% to be safe.

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Glutton wrote:

I believe youre trying to solve for extra damage poutos. The actual damage you hit for is damage*(multiplier/100). The extra damage your crit achieves is damage*((multi/100)-1). Actual is what we are interested in.

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roguemjb wrote:

Yah, I suppose it was crazy wishful thinking that leech simply negated reflect :(

So, with splash and multistrike on, my top end phys damage is only 1883, crit multi of 731% (using PCoC on flicker), and abyssus with 41% more phys damage, against an 18% mob would be:

1883*7.31*1.41=19408.27 damage dealt

19408.27*.18=3493.49 dealt at me on crit.

My life leech with blood rage and total leech is 6% and my total ES is 4852. Excluding granites and armor, I hit for 19408, and my es goes down 3493 leaving me with 1359. Then I hit again, assuming max damage again, I leech back up by .06*19408= 1164, putting me at 2523, but that same hit takes me right back down AFTER the leech is applied, so 2523 after leech - 3493 reflected... and I die.

So, I haven't been one hitting myself, I've been 2 hitting myself. Then of course, I am also doing damage to all the other mobs in the area and getting even more reflected at me, and that's more math then I can handle right now. But at least I can see that 4852 should be enough ES for my damage, if I can get to 18% leech, I should always be able to leech back up on the next strike. Maybe bloodseeker isn't a bad idea after all.

And I guess if you hit a reflecting monkey pack with 30 mobs in it with splash on, you're just screwed.