Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.
" I agree, of course, on principle. But the devs -- Chris in particular -- seemingly do not. Again, to play devil's advocate, here's my understanding of his stance. (Side note: I don't speak for Chris; this is just what I believe I've gleaned from his posts and emails.) Chris, it seems, doesn't want players to be able to play in a comfortable group environment. Chris seems to feel that playing in a group environment has so many advantages, so many inherent bonuses, that these must necessarily be compensated for by introducing some additional factor of danger. Rather than attempting to leverage game mechanics to construct an appropriate compensation for this seeming issue, Chris has instead seemingly chosen to let players manufacture that level of threat themselves, by exposing the loot to natural greed. Thus, Chris seems to be using greed as a counterbalance to grouping benefits. He uses that word, specifically, explicitly. Greed. To counterbalance game mechanics. That would seem to be his philosophy, his will. Thus, the question of letting some players avoid FFA loot is practically a non-starter. Petitioning for the removal of FFA loot, in his eyes, I might surmise, is paramount to asking for the game to be easier. And I'm sure we can all gather what the response to that might be. At this juncture, my thoughts lean toward offering Chris an alternative solution to weakening and/or counterbalancing group benefits. GREENS vs. REDS: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/392/page/246#p811501
The Prisoner's Dilemma: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/392/page/262#p813428 Lethal_papercut's discussion with Chris: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/392/page/235#p806542 |
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" Oh God no. I think we are old enough to not use colors. A longer timer is a longer timer. Its self explanatory. Standard Forever
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" I don't know how things will pan out obviously, but I don't think this scenario is likely given the current circumstances (e.g. looting seemingly staying as-is, given that nothing has happened yet). The public groups will be played by the "reds" and the rest will stick to solo, or maybe play with friends. To be honest I doubt even that will last however, generally speaking. I can only speak for myself of course, but I really don't see any value of the "loot tension" that the devs seem to be so fond of. Regardless of how hell-bent the devs are to embrace FFA loot, it can always be 100% avoided by simply considering PoE a single player game. Which apparently, and appropriately, is what PoE has been designed to be. |
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I dont think i should really have to clarify this, but for anyone who didnt get it, that post was entirely a joke.
GGG - Why you no?
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" Looks like we have very different definitions of "lashing out", "vicious", and "foaming at the mouth". Interesting that I have not made any attempt to label groups of people to make my points, isn't it? Interesting that I have not had to compartmentalize the community into two boxes to make sense of everything. That's all this RED/GREEN thing is: oversimplification. People like assigning labels so that they can point their fingers in a general direction and say/do whatever they want, using the label as justification. Most forms of discrimination make use of that concept. |
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" I have to warn you that you're acting very purple right now.....why can't we all just blue/silver/magenta ? |
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" So it would seem. Remind me not to go dog shopping with you. " Hmm. No, not really. Not even a little. Sorry. I'll let you know when you become interesting. " And here I thought labels were just shorter ways of saying things. Silly me: " GREENS vs. REDS: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/392/page/246#p811501
The Prisoner's Dilemma: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/392/page/262#p813428 Lethal_papercut's discussion with Chris: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/392/page/235#p806542 |
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Does anyone here realize how unbelievably simple it is to make friends and add them to your list?
Some quick suggestions: 1)Play solo, build up some wealth so you are not in a position you need every drop 2)Make a new char and look for group games – preferably 1-2 other people (easier to see whoes taking what) 3)Do not take other peoples drops. Share, be nice - chat - make a joke. Let idiots take stuff, then avoid them or kick them or ask them to stop politely… whatever 4)When they don’t take your drop when it’s something valuable, add them to your friends list 99% of the time they will happily accept After a while, you will have dozens of people on your list that respect you. Also, what’s wrong with all you “anti-ffa” loot protesters exchanging information and all playing nice with each other? |
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" They have 13 days to release. In a perfect world I would like to see them adjust the balance in groups and adjust the loot system so players can focus on the new dangers of co-op. I would prefer to play in a challenging environment. I find the current loot system frustrating and alienating to large portion of the player base. It is also highly susceptible to hacking/scripting/exploits. It does have positives but I feel that changing it is inevitable. IGN: Wrathmar * Paulie * Client
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The thing i find odd, is how FFA loot system is being used all over the place. This system is not FFA. Not pure in the sense. Its more a hybrid of FFA and instanced.
I think half the people complaining about the timer, wouldnt be complaining at all, if it simply want there from the get go. I could be wrong, but its like i said before. The timer just adds an extra level of insult to the injury. Dont get me wrong, i seriously just dont care what they do with the loot system, because im a solo farmer. Not because i want all the loot, just because thats the way i am. Over a decade plaing D2 @ 98% solo only, its just what i enjoy. I just think the timer addsa level of psychological damage to the whole affair, in regards to those that play groups. Cheers. GGG - Why you no?
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