Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

I am perfectly fine with options that appeal to others, so long as FFA is still an option too. I enjoy FFA along with the people I tend to play with, I do not believe that giving an option will adversely affect us and if I am in a public game and someone joins demanding something other than FFA well they know where the door is and we'll happily help them to get out :).

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anubite wrote:

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wiggin wrote:

Whew we are lucky that you know what is good for us. I mean, we need some people who know - now that Hitler, Stalin and great Mao are gone.

I've demonstrated what's wrong with the popular line of thinking and I'm not the only one, who in the past, has demonstrated popular thinking has been wrong. The world was flat, we couldn't go to the moon, 2^(1/2) was rational, and lead cups were great to drink wine from.

I'm not trying to arrogantly imply that it's "my way or the highway" - whatever GGG does, GGG does, but I think my argument is more conclusive than, "oh well but the majority of players want this, and majority rules, you know?" That kind of thinking lead to slavery. Quit being dim. What you want may not be what you really want. I've already explained how instanced loot is "deceptively fair".

Would you be happy with a partial instanced system? Loot < rare and currency < alchemy uses current timer the rest is instanced. If instanced loot is not claimed after 10 seconds it switches automatically to FFA

No.

Penalty for the option.

Nothing will ever be fair. Nothing will ever be balanced. You win some you lose some.


If you have a different playstyle, that has nothing to do with how he game should function.

Can someone clearly list the advantages of FFA with timer loot ? Other than "because GGG made it so". I just don't see any. Not one. So I'm genuinely asking for some help so I can understand.

@anubite
You need to assume that slaves know what is best for them. When you assume you know what is best for others or that they don't know what is best for them, then you are basically stripping them out of their rights. Hence my previous gloss.

The only one implying it is black and white is you. You assume I think they were inherently wrong but I didn't actually write anything remotely close to that.

It's just the relentless effort to devalue the opinion of majority. They don't claim it is anything more than opinion of majority. But when people think they want something, it is usually because they think it is good for them. And since there is no objective definition of 'good', you will need to accept that every single adult personality has right to decide what is good for them.

Of course if there will be loot-options then those options will be implemented with no penalty whatsoever because they don't give any unfair advantages.

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anubite wrote:

What you want may not be what you really want.

I just can't get over this line....

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Thalandor wrote:

Can someone clearly list the advantages of FFA with timer loot ? Other than "because GGG made it so". I just don't see any. Not one. So I'm genuinely asking for some help so I can understand.

Maintains (most of the) cut-throat feel that the devs desire. Protects loot for ranged characters, as it gives them a chance to get to their loot.

I really can't think of any other things off the top of my head although I'm sure there are more reasons that I'd agree with

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mobutu wrote:

Of course if there will be loot-options then those options will be implemented with no penalty whatsoever because they don't give any unfair advantages.

How do you know this?

How do you know the majority players don't like FFA ?

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TehHammer wrote:

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Thalandor wrote:

Can someone clearly list the advantages of FFA with timer loot ? Other than "because GGG made it so". I just don't see any. Not one. So I'm genuinely asking for some help so I can understand.

Maintains (most of the) cut-throat feel that the devs desire. Protects loot for ranged characters, as it gives them a chance to get to their loot.

I really can't think of any other things off the top of my head although I'm sure there are more reasons that I'd agree with

Keeps the game fast paced.

More immersive, since you're all playing in the same "realm".