Keys and Locked Chests

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dust7 wrote:

I would like the following:

• You never need a key to open a chest. Keys imbue chests they are used upon.
• Occasionally, monsters drop keys. Keys are way rarer than chests, though.
• Keys can be magic, rare or unique and enhance the loot you can get from a chest. A magic key could have two mods, for example "+x% item quantity from targeted chest" and "Chest contains at least one currency item".
• Unique keys could have very interesting mods, such as "Chest comes alive" coupled with an extra quantity bonus. You would have to defeat the chest first, though.*
• Orbs can be used on keys as you would expect.
• Each key can be used only once.

you pretty much nailed it on the head! I like your idea much better :)

However, I would like to add that I think it would still be cool if the chests themselves had varying mods, also. This way you would kind of have to try and maximize your odds by using keys only on the "good" chests. Or you could use them on inferior chests if you really wanted to.

Thanks for the info Joel!

What I prefer about the keys over chests being magic/rare/unique themselves is that you could use orbs on keys and then trade them with other players, or save them for when you find that unique end-game map full of chests.

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dust7 wrote:

What I prefer about the keys over chests being magic/rare/unique themselves is that you could use orbs on keys and then trade them with other players, or save them for when you find that unique end-game map full of chests.

point taken :]

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Joel_GGG wrote:

A similar idea has been passed around for a long while here - chest rarity. The idea is that chests spawn with a rarity (magic/rare/unique?). I'm unsure how identifying would work, and possible mods etc etc.

The large golden chest is actually a rare chest with a +item quantity mod, I believe.

How about a glow halo like named mobs?

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dust7 wrote:

I would like the following:

• You never need a key to open a chest. Keys imbue chests they are used upon.
• Occasionally, monsters drop keys. Keys are way rarer than chests, though.
• Keys can be magic, rare or unique and enhance the loot you can get from a chest. A magic key could have two mods, for example "+x% item quantity from targeted chest" and "Chest contains at least one currency item".
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• Orbs can be used on keys as you would expect.
• Each key can be used only once.

I really like these ideas. Not so much the chest coming alive part, but maybe add in it spawns a monster that you must kill. Or just plain that in enhances the drops. I really like the sense of moding chests for better drops somehow. You could always just have regular chests and locked chests too where the locked chests can then get mods. MANY options to chose from here and I REALLY like the idea.

Think of endgame here. You will want to get a good endgame map, you will then want someone to have a few good "keys" to open the chests and such. It just adds an element to the game that makes it exciting.

I think the biggest thing to focus on is NOT restricting the play experience but only making enhancements. So making all chests openable by anyone, but using a key enhances the loot only enhances the game. REQUIRING a key restricts the game. This system also makes you look for chests over just rocks and such, given that once enhanced by a key it has a chance to drop better gear.

THIS IDEA IS PURE GOLD.

Thoughts that crossed my mind when I read it:

- Keys only drop from enemies and a pretty rare (not as rare as maps though)
- Keys have a clearly visible lvl
- Keys only work with (also rare) locked chests
- Locked chests also have a level
- The key lvl has to be at least the chest lvl to open it
- Otherwise as dust stated, one-time use, normal, magic, unique, enhanced by orbs.


That would prevent high level keys to be used/wasted on low level chests. It would also produce a nice mechanic of looking for the chests to use it on. Could make for some good player interaction, if people write up to friends/guid members that they spotted a locked chest in their instance. People would explore every nook and cranny of their maps in hope of finding one of those chests.

I dont support the idea of locked chests, too much hazzle - especially if keys are not buyable.

An item to improve chestdrop quality, must be a mix of an orb (consumable) and basic items with optional magic affixes, like flasks - similar to the map stones.

Possible mods could be 'additional drop quantity', 'increased rarity', 'increased currency chance'...tbc - with different tiers each. I also can imagine an inherent mod of '+1...3 additional items', but from this limited count of mods, I see no real use for a rare type of that item (just like flasks, only magic). A quality bonus could decrease the chance of additional monster spawns as reduced drawback, or (also 'copied' from the mapstones mechanic) a so increased quality also increases spawn/explosion/drawback effects. It could also be worthful to think about adding drawback affixes like reduced drop effects, spawns and other risks - poison clouds for example.

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Mr_Cee wrote:

I dont support the idea of locked chests, too much hazzle - especially if keys are not buyable.

That's the thrill behind it, first searching/waiting to find a key, while you find chests in the meaintime you are inviting others to open. And then when you have a key you are constantly looking for a chest and then the rare case happens, you actually find one and have a key. That's a really great moment.

Just enhancing the standard hack-slash-explore routine of every single level run sound very boring to me. There's not much difference to gear mods that increase quantity and rarity.