The Anti-Defamation Act of 1992 has nothing to do with their policies? Did you bother to read the Code of Conduct at all? The whole point of the Anti-Defamation Act of 1992 is specifically to protect an individual's integrity and image from slander, which BTW, you've done already and why your other post you deleted in the first place probably.
When I say recently regarding the Code of Conduct, it's been in the last 2 years, and for a video game that's been out for almost a decade, that's still recent for something as major as a change in Code of Conduct. You can try to claim I'm not defending my argument, but you're not understanding that they have the right to delete any post they see fit if it slanders an individual's reputation.
Yep, you're very good at missing the point. You've also failed to do the work yourself of finding a relevant passage as I asked you to. And you've also changed your stance now - previously you said it was deleted because of politics, now you're claiming it was cos of slander.
The change made to the Code of Conduct was not about slander, it was about your previous chosen explanation - politics. A lot of the censorship on here is also put down to that, not slander. The Act you linked says nothing to that effect - indeed NZ law as a whole doesn't mandate anything of the sort, which is why that rule wasn't in place to begin with (the Act you linked dates back to 1992!).
There is no reason why they made that change that has to do with NZ law. So why'd they do it? Maybe try looking up who owns this company. That might suggest to you an answer...
I haven't deleted any posts here btw.
I don't know why you're post was deleted. I'm merely giving you suggestions as to why it might have been deleted. You're just not reading what I'm writing. You did bring up politics in your deleted post and if you wanna argue that, you can, but I know you brought up politics, quite heavily BTW. You also were being slanderous, which is also possibly why you got your post deleted.
Once again, you fail to read. I never said the change made to CoC 2 years ago was to slander, I said it was politics. Not sure how you're missing that point. Never said the ADA1992 was referring at all to politics. Once again, you're failing to read my comments.
If you bother to read ANY of my comments on this thread properly, you're going to realize that any company or organization or citizen has to abide by the rules set forth by the government of NZ, which the ADA1992 prevents slanderous acts. GGG must abide by those laws because that's their governing body. If they don't, they will be subject to whatever the appropriate punishment is. They must also put that into their CoC because if they don't, they are allowing such a law to be broken. That is why the OP doesn't seem to understand the purpose of the rule in the ToS. I'm still not sure what you aren't getting about the requirements to abide by certain laws, but hey, that's on you.
I'm done wasting my time trying to explain the basics of the ADA1992 to you.
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The Anti-Defamation Act of 1992 has nothing to do with their policies? Did you bother to read the Code of Conduct at all? The whole point of the Anti-Defamation Act of 1992 is specifically to protect an individual's integrity and image from slander, which BTW, you've done already and why your other post you deleted in the first place probably.
When I say recently regarding the Code of Conduct, it's been in the last 2 years, and for a video game that's been out for almost a decade, that's still recent for something as major as a change in Code of Conduct. You can try to claim I'm not defending my argument, but you're not understanding that they have the right to delete any post they see fit if it slanders an individual's reputation.
Yep, you're very good at missing the point. You've also failed to do the work yourself of finding a relevant passage as I asked you to. And you've also changed your stance now - previously you said it was deleted because of politics, now you're claiming it was cos of slander.
The change made to the Code of Conduct was not about slander, it was about your previous chosen explanation - politics. A lot of the censorship on here is also put down to that, not slander. The Act you linked says nothing to that effect - indeed NZ law as a whole doesn't mandate anything of the sort, which is why that rule wasn't in place to begin with (the Act you linked dates back to 1992!).
There is no reason why they made that change that has to do with NZ law. So why'd they do it? Maybe try looking up who owns this company. That might suggest to you an answer...
I haven't deleted any posts here btw.
I don't know why you're post was deleted. I'm merely giving you suggestions as to why it might have been deleted. You're just not reading what I'm writing. You did bring up politics in your deleted post and if you wanna argue that, you can, but I know you brought up politics, quite heavily BTW. You also were being slanderous, which is also possibly why you got your post deleted.
Once again, you fail to read. I never said the change made to CoC 2 years ago was to slander, I said it was politics. Not sure how you're missing that point. Never said the ADA1992 was referring at all to politics. Once again, you're failing to read my comments.
If you bother to read ANY of my comments on this thread properly, you're going to realize that any company or organization or citizen has to abide by the rules set forth by the government of NZ, which the ADA1992 prevents slanderous acts. GGG must abide by those laws because that's their governing body. If they don't, they will be subject to whatever the appropriate punishment is. They must also put that into their CoC because if they don't, they are allowing such a law to be broken. That is why the OP doesn't seem to understand the purpose of the rule in the ToS. I'm still not sure what you aren't getting about the requirements to abide by certain laws, but hey, that's on you.
I'm done wasting my time trying to explain the basics of the ADA1992 to you.
You haven't explained anything, you've avoided the subject. There is nothing in ADA1992 or indeed any other NZ law that mandates that they restrict discussions of politics or religion, which is what they've been increasingly doing - and which is precisely what they changed about their CoC 2 years ago. They were always in line with NZ law. What's changed about these forums in the last few years has nothing whatsoever to do with NZ law. It is entirely them pushing their own agenda. There is no recourse to NZ law that you can use to justify it. Yet you seem to be determined to avoid accepting that fact.
Your original comment was also contradictory. It said they were bound to enforce the rules mandated by NZ law - which the recent changes to the CoC have NOTHING whatsoever to do with - and then (likely because the way they're actually operating here isn't explained simply by NZ law) you also claimed they were free to do whatever they want. That's trying to have it both ways.
You want to imagine that slander is what most people here are getting silenced for. It isn't. What the people here are suffering under isn't the oppression of NZ law, it's the oppression of GGG. The censorship is their own doing.
If you bother to read ANY of my comments on this thread properly, you're going to realize that any company or organization or citizen has to abide by the rules set forth by the government of NZ, which the ADA1992 prevents slanderous acts.
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There is nothing in ADA1992 or indeed any other NZ law that mandates that they restrict discussions of politics or religion
Ummm, what?
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In today's age before purchasing a product from a company or financially supporting it most skip reading the terms of service (policy), and often because they expect the typical policy that they're already familiar with.
Spending money means you're supporting that company vision, and voting for more of that to come in the foreseeable future, and not just this company and industry, but our whole society pretty much preys on keeping you as much ignorant (uneducated), because that's how its easiest to manipulate you, to "milk" you, to keep you in the dark, and finally when you're realize what you've been supporting only to find out you can't do much, because you haven't READ or should I say known what/who you've been supporting.
Here I can't even discuss about government policy, but there is a good reason why developed countries have a strong resentment toward censorship, certain policies and religion. I've already discussed about censorship in the past, but the difference now is because terms of policies and which ones we support impact us all, and the longer most terms of policies are the bigger the red flag should be.
Companies purposely want to make their terms of policy long, so the average person doesn't have the patience or interest, or it's simply lazy enough to spend time reading through walls upon walls of text. Now, take a look at GGG's policy when it comes to posting, which is communication. To translate what that means "the company is for (PRO) full censorship".
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Most don't know who and how they censor them, but I'll give you an idea. Given the information I've been sharing with this community over the years the mods have a special "alert" level when a thread comes from me, and literally within 1-2 minutes they are acting upon it. How do I know? Because my threads have been moved quickly to the "feedback" section, even if 90-95% of the information I'm sharing is for the community, and not toward the GGG staff, like my last thread from days ago. When I contacted GGG support after that mod wasn't responding, they were the ones who forwarded me to section 10.e. Further, they have a problem, as in also do not allow publicly sharing with the community their conversation (discussion) otherwise I would've gladly showed you my emails.
Finally, I would rather kill myself than support anyone who's for FULL censorship, because that's how you suppress progress, rights, etc. and these forums are a disguise, a fasade, where the community can think (believe) this company allows the community to speak, or should I say voice their opinions, but their policy says otherwise. What you're reading on these forums it's only what GGG mods have allowed.
Wait wait wait. Are you telling me that a private company wants the ability to control what is and is not on their own forums and wants the ability to ban those who may practice in speech that in some countries is not even legal? Hold me back while I clutch my pearls!
Telling a company what they can and cannot allow on their own platform is also a form of censorship and a knock on their own freedoms.
Freedom of Speech is only applies to the government (if in the US) and they cannot step in and take that from you. Private companies have their own freedoms. How would you feel if some rando came into your business and tried to tell you what you should and should not allow to print in your own place?
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Since I took a gander at your post history and seen some of the games you mention that you play, lets take a look at a game you said you loved called "DC Universe Online" and lets look at the TOS or more particularity one section of it:
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You acknowledge and agree that, subject to the Daybreak Privacy Policy, we reserve the right (but have no obligation) to do any or all of the following, at our sole and absolute discretion: (i) monitor Submissions and all other use thereof; (ii) monitor the play and use any Daybreak Game(s); (iii) alter, remove, or refuse to post or allow to be posted any Submission(s)
This is COMMON BOILER PLATE TOS and you will find this in EVERY ONLINE GAME YOU WILL EVER PLAY.
Welcome to the internet. Obviously this has to be your very first time online or you would know these things...
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You do know they have the right to do so. It's their forums, their company, their game. They reserve the right to limit and censor content and speech as they please, especially because if they want to operate freely within their own jurisdiction, they must abide by the laws that govern them as a New Zealand based company. If you know anything about NZ ruling, certain laws related to defamation in particular are taken very seriously. If the company doesn't crack down on certain bits of "free speech" as it were, they will be subject to government action. Just because you don't like that they have freedom to monitor and edit posts and comments as they please, doesn't mean they're an evil company for doing so. They aren't based in the United States where "free speech," (which BTW is very seriously misunderstood in our country), is a lot more free than it is there. They have laws they must abide by as well, which every player who plays PoE and interacts with the forums must abide by too so long as they're interacting within those outlets
I had critiqued this. It was disappeared. And not cos I'd attacked you btw. Nor because it violated any NZ law either. Just so you know. They're practically making the OP's case for them.
TBH, politics of any kind are pretty much a no go as there are many different people who play who hold many different political and religious beliefs and tho some things will slide, political talk doesn't as this can get extremely toxic really quick regardless of "sides"
ALL talk of politics, left or right get equal removal. It stops flame wars and spam.
This ain't Facebook or Twitter, do you really need to express your affiliations that badly?
You know what the say at Family gatherings when there is drink involved?
"NO POLITICS"
It keeps the peace.
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B-b-but my freedumbs! It's not real freedom of speech unless I can antagonize, harass, lie and generally carry on everywhere, at all times, and without limit!
