Duelist - Phys builds suck, don't bother - Forum

After trying my hardest to come up with the best pure physical DW build, gearing the crap out of my character (i.e. 2x 290DPS weapons, 6L zodiac chest etc.). I've come to the conclusion (as many others have) that pure phys builds suck. Until they give some way to mitigate armour they're just going to be plain terrible. My DW duelist is now officially retired, final build (for those curious) Spoiler http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgQBBS0G7g48Dq0SIBQgFHEUdRjbGS4hYCftKLUppTIJNDU1hjiWOlI6szrtQKBBqkOcRJ5Hfkp9UEdQUFO7U99USVYEWGNY21uvXotfP2BLYIhhUmMXY3BlTWegbmlyqXTtdPF673zZhNmE74Zgh3aMz5dwmSubLZuDnaqeuacwq8WsqrBztxe5zbndvYG-p7_VwA_BB8bYypDP-NJN1FLUj9d-3Q3fv-dS7LbvDu9O7-Px9PIv9kj3Mvjr_MU= with the above build I had ~8K dual strike, ~5k Cleave and ~1.7k Cyclone. Issue was never really staying alive, it was staving off my own boredom from the amount of time it took to kill groups of enemies. Back to face-rolling with my LA ranger! "there is no spoone" - The Matricks	Posted by Zeekin#4930 on Mar 18, 2013, 8:44:40 AM Quote this Post
I prefer a mix of phys and elemental so both ele resist mobs (which are everywhere in cruel and merciless) and high armor mobs take decent damage. Curses are annoying...	Posted by kuromahou#7517 on Mar 18, 2013, 9:26:21 AM Quote this Post
I only have a 5L, and my Cleave is almost 20k Unbuffed. I'm a pure physical build also. Your Cleave damage is pretty low. I can probably help you get your damage up. Whats your Cleave links? IGN: Zeldoon - 88 Duelist Archdoon - 66 Ranger Selling All the equipment on my 88Duelist http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/308598	Posted by Zeldoon#4305 on Mar 18, 2013, 9:39:46 AM Quote this Post
with a 6l and such good weapons u should be able to get at least 10k+ cleave. cleave-melee dmg-faster attacks-added fire should get u there already, but u have a 6l... and those leather and steel nodes are strange for u, if u ask me. respec leather and steel, get unwavering and get the +52% armor near duelist start or/and the +43% armor near mara start.	Posted by mgasper0#3435 on Mar 18, 2013, 1:14:23 PM Quote this Post
give us dps\gear screenshots. IGN: Seze	Posted by _Seze_#5968 on Mar 18, 2013, 3:10:46 PM Quote this Post
same problem i had with a ranger built similarly, pure physical BM etc... just gave up endgame as it took too long to kill stuff... the 5k tooltip dps is a lie since it's 5k physical so more like 1.5k actual dps... very easy to test since you can just go attack kobe and see how long it takes you to kill him and then do it on a diff char... so so lame!	Posted by Hokonoso#1276 on Mar 18, 2013, 3:21:52 PM Quote this Post
This was my gear (I may have exaggerated about the weapons :) But still very good) Spoiler Ignore the gems though, the gear's gone back to their rightful owner. I know I could have massively bumped up my damage using added fire and hatred/anger/wrath - but once I do that it's not really a phys build any more is it? The reason I took the leather&steel nodes was because I figured it gives 64EV+64AR which = 128 total armor bonus vs 102% (I might be wrong about that, I never really bothered to test since armour was never really the problem). "there is no spoone" - The Matricks	Posted by Zeekin#4930 on Mar 18, 2013, 10:28:00 PM Quote this Post
" Zeekin wrote: 64EV+64AR which = 128 total armor bonus 64EV+64AR = 64 AR with IR	Posted by Gremlion#0026 on Mar 18, 2013, 10:47:02 PM Quote this Post
" Gremlion wrote: " Zeekin wrote: 64EV+64AR which = 128 total armor bonus 64EV+64AR = 64 AR with IR Please go read the mechanics thread and stop spreading disinformation.	Posted by Strill#1101 on Mar 18, 2013, 10:59:57 PM Quote this Post
" Strill wrote: " Gremlion wrote: " Zeekin wrote: 64EV+64AR which = 128 total armor bonus 64EV+64AR = 64 AR with IR Please go read the mechanics thread and stop spreading disinformation. Oh the irony! Being clueless and not doing your homework before posting make you look stupid. Below is a quote from Mark_GGG explaining how Leather and Steel works and its interaction with IR. It was not in the mechanics thread either. " Mark_GGG wrote: There is no "both" Leather and steel applies one, and only one, modifier. The value of the modifier is a 24% increase. The modifier applies to evasion rating and armour. It is not a 24% increase to evasion rating, and a separate 24% increase to armour. It's "24% increased Evastion Rating and Armour". One bonus, with two things it can apply to. Just like "10% increased elemental damage" applies to cold dmage, fire damage and lightning damage. There is never any situation in the game where one bonus can be applied twice to the same value. When you convert cold damage to fire damage using the support, the elemental damage bonuses don't apply twice. The damage either is or isn't elemental. If you have evasion, you total all increases to evasion rating. Leather and steel applies, because it affects evasion rating. If you have armour, you total all increases to armour. Leather and steel applies, because it affects armour. If you have evasion converted to armour, you total all increases which apply to either of those things. Leather and steel applies, so is included. It does not "apply twice", it's one bonus, and it's either applied or isn't.	Posted by Baron01#3047 on Mar 19, 2013, 6:10:34 AM Quote this Post