Natho's HP/IIQ/IIR Summoner Build for Solo Endgame Maps Updated

a nice guide but with a small issue .

*** EDIT half false information i had to delete ****

Arc is still buggy with "culling" strike , and (u watched it maybe) if arc bounces back no MF will counted to arc as well .


Witch : HaleJesus LVL 82 Arc Summoner
SpectreGuide: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/292391/page/1
pls forgive my gibberish space orc english - its not my native language
Last edited by HaleBopp#0969 on Mar 23, 2013, 5:34:51 PM
So what you guys want to say is that the Build is okay but the gems, their links and the gear aren't good?

Damn and I was happy that i've found finally a pure "rarity find" build :(
Last edited by Afura#6483 on Mar 23, 2013, 9:34:10 AM
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HaleBopp wrote:
a nice guide but with a small issue .

all MF from ur armor wont be counted in into Minion kills since spectre makes most dmg u ll get half of the items a decent "without minion" char could make.

Arc is still buggy with "culling" strike , and (u watched it maybe) if arc bounces back no MF will counted to arc as well .




This is completely false.

"If one of your minions gets a kill, the minion's IIR is added to yours and the total is used."

Am sure that also applies to IIQ?

unless that has been changed in some update i don't know about, it would be stupid to gimp a build like the summoner since all kills goes to minions most of the time.
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Last edited by mattc3303#7526 on Mar 23, 2013, 12:55:27 PM
Hey guys.I am sorry that I did not check the thread for past week.
I use the arc/culling strike/IIR/IIQ to finish mobs so the IIR/IIQ will apply on the drops. And this is fixed from the patch about 3 weeks ago. So dont worry about that.

And use the skele totem for safe with the 3500+hp, 83-84 res, some little ES to counter stun. I think it is safe for solo maps.

As I did solo lvl 75- maps no problem and I roll them all to rare maps w/o 0 regen mod.
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HaleBopp wrote:
a nice guide but with a small issue .

all MF from ur armor wont be counted in into Minion kills since spectre makes most dmg u ll get half of the items a decent "without minion" char could make.

Arc is still buggy with "culling" strike , and (u watched it maybe) if arc bounces back no MF will counted to arc as well .


Btw I can feel arc is not buggy anymore with culling strike/iir/iiq after some patch weeks ago, since there is a sig difference on the drops from my experience.
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Last edited by fdguoj#5351 on Mar 23, 2013, 3:45:08 PM
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Afura wrote:
Hey, I wanted to make a MF Char and I found your build. Thank you very much :)

I have 1 little question. Did you kill all the bandits?


For Bandits, I get hp at normal, and skills points at merc/cru.
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my "feeling" its not even a oppinion just a feeling. i already posted in in the bug section After they "fixed" it. its in brackets because if the real bug is from arc it isnt fixed at all. and i can also Confirm that i got more drops out of arc/culling After the patch . but i can also confirm with shock nova its much much much more .

my post about the bug..
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/264181/highlight/


the path notes for CONFIRMED arc/culling strike bug.
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/227309

and a quote from the "item rarity support gem" forum where already 2 other ppl quoted it.
Spoiler

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/13796/page/7

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Trancemaster wrote:
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Zark wrote:
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F4ll0u7 wrote:
Did anyone make the experience that the combination of Item Rarity+Item Quantity ( in my case combined with Arc) wont drop ANY items?

I spam Arc to make 100%sure Arc gets the killing blow, but only 1 out of 15 monsters drops an item.
I experienced that without this combination Items drop more frequently.

Not sure if this is something personal and I may be crazy, but that is how it appears.

I have the same feeling. I'm sure I get significant less items with a my arc witch, then my ranger. So many champions and rare monsters just doesn't drop anything.

Could there be a problem with shocked status, eg. the dmg from arc alone is not enough to kill the mob, but it has 3x shocked so the dmg is increased, the mob dies, but rarity and quantity increases are not calculated because the initial dmg was not high enough to kill the mob?

Another possibility could be the chain mechanic, does the rarity/quantity bonus work when a mob dies as the last one in a chain line?


That is a good question. I have felt that aswell, killing a rare and nothing is dropping and you are going "wt.?"

I'm a summoner with arc, so I can't really tell who's last hitting but it have happend many times that a rare is not dropping anything at all. Seems strange according to me.



Mark GGG confirmed item rarity support only work for the hitting Skill - since (meanwhile i made some researches) SOME people think Arc is buggy make ur own decisions .

Spoiler


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Mark_GGG wrote:
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GandrewCarder wrote:
If this support gem is connected to a minion skill, such as the zombie, will all mobs killed by said zombie have higher rarity.
Yes.

You can tell if a support gem is affecting an active skill because it will add a small letter to the skill's icon in the skill bar.





Now the feeling got a little stronger.
so u have to link IIR to raise zombie this will work

Spoiler

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/42535/highlight/


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Mark_GGG wrote:
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o8240000 wrote:
does the IIQ/IIR still apply if the mobs die from the ignite effect from burning arrow?
IIQ/IIR upports cannot currently apply to any degen/damage-over-time effect, only to things killed by being hit by the skill for damage. We hope to improve this in future.
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Dreggon wrote:
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Mark_GGG wrote:
Minion instability does assign the kills to the minions. It just doesn't deal actual damage.


Does this mean that those kills aren't applied to the player?
No.
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Mark_GGG wrote:
Your minion's kills are asigned to you, and thus use your IIQ/IIR. This is why you still get flask charges and experience from their kills as well.




And something that other players "feel" asweel - phu now im not complete alone nearly thought i am shizophren ;)

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/29126/page/1


********************************* EDIT something i found in the rarity thread



Just minion instability information ignore that ^^
Spoiler


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Mark_GGG wrote:
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Lo4f wrote:
My guess is that your passives affect you only unless specifically mentioning minions.
That is a correct guess. Well done.
You have your passives, your minions don't. The few passives which specifically affect your minions are the only ones which do so.


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Mark_GGG wrote:
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Shinteo wrote:
So, just to verify. Does this means that to maximise damage of MI, you can boost fire damage and spell AOE?
No. For one, spell damage has no effect because it's not a spell.
For two, you need your minions you have stats to increase the damage, not you. You can stack fire damage increases until you're blue in the face and you'll deal lots of fire damage, but you minions won't.

If you can stack fire damage bonuses on your minions, that will increase the damage they deal when they explode.





last to mention "its just a feeling" i switched my arc to another spell on this feeling. ;)
and the last question did you tried another spell to confirm this?

best regards and rly no offense just a "maybe a bug" feeling.

Witch : HaleJesus LVL 82 Arc Summoner
SpectreGuide: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/292391/page/1
pls forgive my gibberish space orc english - its not my native language
Last edited by HaleBopp#0969 on Mar 23, 2013, 5:40:10 PM
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fdguoj wrote:
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Afura wrote:
Hey, I wanted to make a MF Char and I found your build. Thank you very much :)

I have 1 little question. Did you kill all the bandits?


For Bandits, I get hp at normal, and skills points at merc/cru.


Damn, I already killed Oak :/ . I hope it is not that bad?
Last edited by Afura#6483 on Mar 23, 2013, 5:06:08 PM
@HaleBopp I tried power siphon actually, but did not feel any diff.
Well arc is the probably best skill to spam w/o the need to put the cursor on the mobs among the minions, so I think it might be the best skill for last hits disregarding "bugs".
And atm I am playing HC, so I dont think I have the time to try others.
@Afura I think you'd better re-roll a char if you did not level pass 60, since 40 base hp which is half prefix of a piece of gear.
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Last edited by fdguoj#5351 on Mar 23, 2013, 8:21:38 PM
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fdguoj wrote:

@Afura I think you'd better re-roll a char if you did not level pass 60, since 40 base hp which is half prefix of a piece of gear.[/i]


Sorry for my bad english, but does that mean that I have to restart my char only if i NOT pass level 60? (Btw im playing SC)

Thx for your help :)
Last edited by Afura#6483 on Mar 23, 2013, 8:44:58 PM

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