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They should add a mirror service interface, kind of like a trade interface.
Slot for his item
Slot for your mirror
Slot for fee.
Everyone approves, click check, done.
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Posted byboof#2056on Mar 16, 2013, 5:37:24 PM
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The problem is that common sense will not help you if the scammer does not reveal his intentions and appears to be a friendly player. There is simply no way of knowing if he is careful. The situations you compare are not alike, this is a direct giveaway to scammers and not player based competition.
Common sense should *definitely* help you here. "Don't hand valuable items to strangers unless you're okay with the idea of never seeing those items again." Your thinking is flawed - The conclusion to "I have no way of knowing if this person is a good person or a scammer" should be "proceed with caution" not "throw my worldly goods at said person and cry if I get scammed."
Collateral is a simple solution to this "problem," and can be implemented between players with no outside help. Tell me again what's wrong with this?
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Posted byPewPewDie#6331on Mar 16, 2013, 5:42:56 PM
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The alternative is that you go through a middleman, but is it really worth having officals do this for you? They should save the man-hours and instead have it taken care of in-game.
Except that devs had said many times that they wouldn't participate as a middle man in these situations.
Don't you understand? The devs WANT people to be cautious of other players. That's what they intend with this game. And what you're proposing would go completely against this.
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I agree that a middleman is not something they should do, but, well, you know the rest of the story as i have written it here maybe 5 times already.
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The problem is that common sense will not help you if the scammer does not reveal his intentions and appears to be a friendly player. There is simply no way of knowing if he is careful. The situations you compare are not alike, this is a direct giveaway to scammers and not player based competition.
Common sense should *definitely* help you here. "Don't hand valuable items to strangers unless you're okay with the idea of never seeing those items again." Your thinking is flawed - The conclusion to "I have no way of knowing if this person is a good person or a scammer" should be "proceed with caution" not "throw my worldly goods at said person and cry if I get scammed."
Collateral is a simple solution to this "problem," and can be implemented between players with no outside help. Tell me again what's wrong with this?
You are forgetting one thing in your line of reason, the condition which is: "common sense will not help you if the scammer does not reveal his intentions and appears to be a friendly player"
You may be however cautious you want, but in the end you are approaching him, and all he has to do is be friendly and act normally. True, too friendly may also be a warning sign, but the fact that you bypass all trading mechanics aimed at protecting the player means you are playing right into his hands. I am the light of the morning and the shadow on the wall, I am nothing and I am all. Last edited by Crackmonster#7709 on Mar 16, 2013, 6:08:05 PM
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Posted byCrackmonster#7709on Mar 16, 2013, 6:02:42 PM
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i think scamming adds to the fun of the game ... there should be more possibilities
remember this game is a hostile environment between players
No, just no. Eve online is like that, and its a friggin cess pool of humanity.
The fact that you dare to speak like this is and indicator of how horrible you are, not them.
As for the main topic: only stupids get scammed.
I've never been scammed (and i played a lot of eve online) and i never will.
The only way to be scammed is if you're greedy AND stupid.
Scamming is wrong in real life because people can lose everything(=die, REAL DEATH, not delete account) , it's not wrong in a video game where most of what they can lose is pixels and time (time they chose to spend playing,wasted by their misplaced trust).
As for the facts that they may quit the game and so GGG would be wise to do what they want?
Thats the argument that destroys games. GGG please look at the money! Dont follow your vision!
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Posted byadikia#7076on Mar 16, 2013, 6:07:54 PM
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this is great
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Posted byDeletedon Mar 16, 2013, 6:10:07 PM
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Crackmonster wrote:
The problem is that common sense will not help you if the scammer does not reveal his intentions and appears to be a friendly player. There is simply no way of knowing if he is careful. The situations you compare are not alike, this is a direct giveaway to scammers and not player based competition.
The alternative is that you go through a middleman, but is it really worth having officals do this for you? They should save the man-hours and instead have it taken care of in-game.
That's what i think.
I also acknowledge that some players would like to pvp against each other to the maximum, just as people loved to join peoples games in D2 and kill them - even on hardcore - finding great joy in it, but not me.
Fair "pvp" i love, for example i would hope they never remove FFA loot as that is the kind of rough environment i like to see and which is not about scamming but about ability.
EDIT: and btw people, metal fully understands the difference between these situations, and if you watch when he comments around the forums he finds great joy in posting these act-hard comments trying to get at people. I would hope some mod checks out his posting history and do a little thinking to realize he knows what he is doing and enjoys acting hard like that, with little constructive to say and avoiding the reality of the arguments so he can persist to write the same thing over and over each time a new target comes his way. The more people with posting habbits like this - the more this has Diablo 3 forums character, an environment not fit for much constructive discussion.
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The problem is that common sense will not help you if the scammer does not reveal his intentions and appears to be a friendly player.
WTF ???
How dense are you?
I cannot even believe i read something as stupid as this sentence.
Maybe your common sense is different than mine, or maybe you're just impaired in some way (like many in the usa that think fast food should be outlawed because they weigh 400 punds).
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Posted byadikia#7076on Mar 16, 2013, 6:11:38 PM
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Scamming is wrong in real life because people can lose everything(=die, REAL DEATH, not delete account) , it's not wrong in a video game where most of what they can lose is pixels and time (time they chose to spend playing,wasted by their misplaced trust).
Just another case of not undestanding the relative nature of all human relations. You think some ways of spending time are better than others and therefore that you should not respect certain ways of spending time.
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Maybe your common sense is different than mine, or maybe you're just impaired in some way (like many in the usa that think fast food should be outlawed because they weigh 400 punds).
Nice strawman bro, come again.
I am the light of the morning and the shadow on the wall, I am nothing and I am all. Last edited by Crackmonster#7709 on Mar 16, 2013, 6:13:23 PM
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Posted byCrackmonster#7709on Mar 16, 2013, 6:12:08 PM
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Crackmonster wrote:
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Scamming is wrong in real life because people can lose everything(=die, REAL DEATH, not delete account) , it's not wrong in a video game where most of what they can lose is pixels and time (time they chose to spend playing,wasted by their misplaced trust).
Just another case of not undestanding the relative nature of all human relations. You think some ways of spending time are better than others and therefore that you should not respect certain ways of spending time.
I did not say that you goddamn waste of oxygen.
In fact why am i even wasting my time with you?
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The problem is that common sense will not help you if the scammer does not reveal his intentions and appears to be a friendly player.
also i have to admit, i'm mad. it's rare to see such stupidity.
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Posted byadikia#7076on Mar 16, 2013, 6:16:10 PM
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Consider yourself lucky mate.
I am the light of the morning and the shadow on the wall, I am nothing and I am all.
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Posted byCrackmonster#7709on Mar 16, 2013, 6:17:17 PM
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