Mirrors and scam: Add a mirror service in town

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xxxmetalgearxxx wrote:

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Eriktion wrote:

i think scamming adds to the fun of the game ... there should be more possibilities

remember this game is a hostile environment between players

Agree completely

Are these two guys trolling?

They have to be...

They definitely need to add a safety-measure for players who wish to mirror items / pay for mirrors.

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Eriktion wrote:

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BitterBiped wrote:

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Eriktion wrote:

i think scamming adds to the fun of the game ... there should be more possibilities

remember this game is a hostile environment between players

So you think bringing out dishonesty and encouraging the very worst traits of of human nature is fun.

Anytime a human being takes joy/fun in ruining another human being's joy/fun it makes me sick in the stomach.

well i would never do such a thing in real life

but this is a game where i can be an asshole if i like to

You have succeeded on all possible levels. Going to block you in-game.

Metalgear, i would advise you to stop posting in this thread if you do not understand the different dynamic of mirroring vs trading.

Remember, girls and boys, you are playing a game. This is not about what I want but about how everyone's experience of the game could be improved. Just because you can be a dick in a game doesn't improve everyone else's experience of the game. You are also playing a beta. What you could be seeing as something that is intended is quite as likely to be unintended. And most of the unintended things tend to be player sided things, like with brokering their own rules and cultivating gaming etiquette, as with Mirrors.

What I like hearing: Things that could be implemented for the betterment of the game.

What I don't like hearing: Nothing to add here - working as intended. Also insert I'm a dick and unnecessary aggro.

For what it's worth, I'm not saying it's a horrible idea, but you have only to read the 1st post of the epic "Looting" thread to see that they aren't necessarily interested in making everything warm, fuzzy, safe, comfortable and easy:

"It's important to us that Path of Exile has a cut-throat feel where players are not only competing against monsters, but also their fellow players."

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/392/

It's not like I'm not acknowledging that. But would such factors matter much when a such design decisions doesn't improve the quality of the game where it's better that some things are more controlled?

Also Cut Throat league is a league in itself, there is actually a good argument that currency orbs (just currency orbs) could be instanced. But like hell I'm going into that.

Theres a documentary style video on PoE from 2011, in it Chris says the goal for a player in this game is to become as powerful as possible. You aren't trying to be a noble hero so you can save the world, you're trying to survive. In a setting were survival and power are your only goals, i imagine scamming would take place.

Just use your best judgement when trading.

Listen, people. The devs stated multiple times that they want the game itself to be cutthroat and unforgiving. Not just against the monsters, but also between the players. This is one of the central promises of the game and something you can't change. Hell, look at the looting thread. How many pages does it has, 700? 800? And the devs won't change it.

So no, they won't add unnecessary safety measures just because you people are stupid and end up getting scammed. It's your own fault and the devs won't hold your hand to prevent you from making mistakes. If you don't like it, there are many other games where the devs do hold your hand. Maybe you should try one of those.

The problem is that common sense will not help you if the scammer does not reveal his intentions and appears to be a friendly player. There is simply no way of knowing if he is careful. The situations you compare are not alike, this is a direct giveaway to scammers and not player based competition.

The alternative is that you go through a middleman, but is it really worth having officals do this for you? They should save the man-hours and instead have it taken care of in-game.

That's what i think.

I also acknowledge that some players would like to pvp against each other to the maximum, just as people loved to join peoples games in D2 and kill them - even on hardcore - finding great joy in it, but not me.

Fair "pvp" i love, for example i would hope they never remove FFA loot as that is the kind of rough environment i like to see and which is not about scamming but about ability.

EDIT: and btw people, metal fully understands the difference between these situations, and if you watch when he comments around the forums he finds great joy in posting these act-hard comments trying to get at people. I would hope some mod checks out his posting history and do a little thinking to realize he knows what he is doing and enjoys acting hard like that, with little constructive to say and avoiding the reality of the arguments so he can persist to write the same thing over and over each time a new target comes his way. The more people with posting habbits like this - the more this has Diablo 3 forums character, an environment not fit for much constructive discussion.

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Eriktion wrote:

i think scamming adds to the fun of the game ... there should be more possibilities

remember this game is a hostile environment between players

No, just no. Eve online is like that, and its a friggin cess pool of humanity.