[3.7] Cyclone CwC Blade Vortex CI Trickster

Help? Build is peaking out at around 185k

Doing decent on the EHP side sitting at around 4.4k ES and 1.7k life. So 6.1k EHP, not bad. I am not doing CI until I hit 5-6k ES.
https://pastebin.com/nS2qXxFg

I have a CWC staff that I just need to 6 link. However, that changes my dps on BV none, it doesnt add any significant dps, I think it adds a total of 6k dps. So, kind of hanging here.

Anything would help :) ty.
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Sati_V wrote:
Help? Build is peaking out at around 185k

Doing decent on the EHP side sitting at around 4.4k ES and 1.7k life. So 6.1k EHP, not bad. I am not doing CI until I hit 5-6k ES.
https://pastebin.com/nS2qXxFg

I have a CWC staff that I just need to 6 link. However, that changes my dps on BV none, it doesnt add any significant dps, I think it adds a total of 6k dps. So, kind of hanging here.

Anything would help :) ty.


You should switch to CI, otherwise any chaos damage will just kill you.

The damage boost from CwC staff is mostly the extra link you can run with it.

Also, you are running Blight instead of Wither, and that Blight has too low cast rate, so even with multiple totems, you will barely reach 15 stacks with 3 totems summoned at once (also, pob is not factoring this at all, because it do not supports spreading rot).

With wither enabled your DPS is 270k.

Also, as I mention in the guide, cold to fire is weak link until you have enough conversion.

You are not running Sin's Rebirt or Taste of Hate.

Also, you do not have Arcane Surge.

And also no penetration or consecrated ground (atm as majority of your damage is cold, you can run Frost Bomb, or PF for cons ground).

Also, no curse (curse on hit setup with PF is nice before getting enough conversion as well). Well, I guess you have Poachers mark, but it is not doing anything.

Otherwise, your DPS is fine on low budget imo.
My builds:
Scourge Arrow Poison Prolif Pathfinder - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2551841
My site:
https://mapsofexile.com/
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thedeathbeam wrote:


You should switch to CI, otherwise any chaos damage will just kill you.

The damage boost from CwC staff is mostly the extra link you can run with it.

Also, you are running Blight instead of Wither, and that Blight has too low cast rate, so even with multiple totems, you will barely reach 15 stacks with 3 totems summoned at once (also, pob is not factoring this at all, because it do not supports spreading rot).

With wither enabled your DPS is 270k.

Also, as I mention in the guide, cold to fire is weak link until you have enough conversion.

You are not running Sin's Rebirt or Taste of Hate.

Also, you do not have Arcane Surge.

And also no penetration or consecrated ground (atm as majority of your damage is cold, you can run Frost Bomb, or PF for cons ground).

Also, no curse (curse on hit setup with PF is nice before getting enough conversion as well). Well, I guess you have Poachers mark, but it is not doing anything.

Otherwise, your DPS is fine on low budget imo.


TY VM, I didnt realize that it did not catch the blight to wither conversion. I'll fix that right now, I ll swap cold to fire for arcane surge, or generate it another way atm. As far as ASS Mark, why is it not doing anything atm? I am saving for the Taste of Hate next and the Sin flasks, those are my next noted upgrades. Then saving to spend chaos on six-linking the staff and running lab every day for BV spell damage.
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Sati_V wrote:
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thedeathbeam wrote:


You should switch to CI, otherwise any chaos damage will just kill you.

The damage boost from CwC staff is mostly the extra link you can run with it.

Also, you are running Blight instead of Wither, and that Blight has too low cast rate, so even with multiple totems, you will barely reach 15 stacks with 3 totems summoned at once (also, pob is not factoring this at all, because it do not supports spreading rot).

With wither enabled your DPS is 270k.

Also, as I mention in the guide, cold to fire is weak link until you have enough conversion.

You are not running Sin's Rebirt or Taste of Hate.

Also, you do not have Arcane Surge.

And also no penetration or consecrated ground (atm as majority of your damage is cold, you can run Frost Bomb, or PF for cons ground).

Also, no curse (curse on hit setup with PF is nice before getting enough conversion as well). Well, I guess you have Poachers mark, but it is not doing anything.

Otherwise, your DPS is fine on low budget imo.


TY VM, I didnt realize that it did not catch the blight to wither conversion. I'll fix that right now, I ll swap cold to fire for arcane surge, or generate it another way atm. As far as ASS Mark, why is it not doing anything atm? I am saving for the Taste of Hate next and the Sin flasks, those are my next noted upgrades. Then saving to spend chaos on six-linking the staff and running lab every day for BV spell damage.


Arcane Surge in main setup will not work. Just put it to your movement setup. And use like Controlled Destruction in main link (also make sure you are using inc aoe/conc effect swaps when necessary).

I mean that Poacher's Mark is not doing anything. Its not very useful curse for this build :d And you have it on ring.

Sin's Rebirth should not be that expensive, i would go for it first, its pretty big damage boost (and more chaos conversion).
My builds:
Scourge Arrow Poison Prolif Pathfinder - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2551841
My site:
https://mapsofexile.com/
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thedeathbeam wrote:

Arcane Surge in main setup will not work. Just put it to your movement setup. And use like Controlled Destruction in main link (also make sure you are using inc aoe/conc effect swaps when necessary).

I mean that Poacher's Mark is not doing anything. Its not very useful curse for this build :d And you have it on ring.

Sin's Rebirth should not be that expensive, i would go for it first, its pretty big damage boost (and more chaos conversion).


true, I need to swap out for assassins....I was super excited I found one....lol guess I need to reroll the ring or by another.
Will a crafted CwC staff out dps a disintegrator end game?
https://ibb.co/4sD6YLz

For me is very difficult to understand how much damage I do and if it's good enough. With hatred and herald of ash my damage is 4125 how much is yours ? Doesn't seems enough, I'm killing the yellow monsters slowly.

BTW I'm encountering a lot of yellow monster that are resist elemental and resist chaos.

BTW check out my Legion Jewel it's pretty awesome !
Last edited by fizo1 on Jun 20, 2019, 4:34:26 AM
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aharm1991 wrote:
Will a crafted CwC staff out dps a disintegrator end game?


With enough shaper/elder items on you nope. But benefit of CwC staff is that there is no degen and you dont have to maintain siphoning charges, what can be annoying.

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fizo1 wrote:
https://ibb.co/4sD6YLz

For me is very difficult to understand how much damage I do and if it's good enough. With hatred and herald of ash my damage is 4125 how much is yours ? Doesn't seems enough, I'm killing the yellow monsters slowly.

BTW I'm encountering a lot of yellow monster that are resist elemental and resist chaos.

BTW check out my Legion Jewel it's pretty awesome !


Can't check your link atm, but if that is tooltip DPS its extremely misleading. 1. blade vortex gains A LOT of damage for stage, and tooltip do not accounts for that (like 10-15 times more on 10 stages at least).

Yellow rares are annoying because they doubled their HP, but, with flasks up it should be still fine, on 10 stages they should just disappear.
My builds:
Scourge Arrow Poison Prolif Pathfinder - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2551841
My site:
https://mapsofexile.com/
Hey thedeathbeam,

Just wanted to thank you again for a build and the time invested in answering us.
I have "all" of the gear now (self-crafted sceptre, self-crafted armour, watcher's eye, conversion amulet, assassin's mark ring), although most of these could certainly be optimised.

I feel the char is more than strong enough to tackle end-game bosses (lvl 91), I'll probably ice U.Elder this week-end or before.

Overall the character is great, very tanky, very mobile, very good damage output. The only things I like less are:
- Clearing Legion in red maps is hard, you really need to pick what you want (which might be a good think).
- Ramp-up damage style. You really feel the difference between the start of channelling, the full stack channelling, the full potions setup, and the full Vaal skills trigger. A little too many key-presses for me, I don't even use the totems, I just don't have the cool for it.

I'm gonna start on another char shortly after filling my atlas, but it's the 3rd character I bring this far, it has been really fun :-)
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thomzon wrote:
Hey thedeathbeam,

Just wanted to thank you again for a build and the time invested in answering us.
I have "all" of the gear now (self-crafted sceptre, self-crafted armour, watcher's eye, conversion amulet, assassin's mark ring), although most of these could certainly be optimised.

I feel the char is more than strong enough to tackle end-game bosses (lvl 91), I'll probably ice U.Elder this week-end or before.

Overall the character is great, very tanky, very mobile, very good damage output. The only things I like less are:
- Clearing Legion in red maps is hard, you really need to pick what you want (which might be a good think).
- Ramp-up damage style. You really feel the difference between the start of channelling, the full stack channelling, the full potions setup, and the full Vaal skills trigger. A little too many key-presses for me, I don't even use the totems, I just don't have the cool for it.

I'm gonna start on another char shortly after filling my atlas, but it's the 3rd character I bring this far, it has been really fun :-)


Glad to hear you were enjoying the char. And yeah, for the downsides, it's mostly true and sometimes can be annoying. For legion, what I found works pretty well is:

Pre-charge BV to 10 stacks and get all frenzies/power charges up, pop monolith, and if layout is good, aim your Vaal BV on one side of army, pop all flasks and Vaal RF and rush the other side. This very often guarantees full clear of one side and at least 1/3 clear of other side (on good layout) as Vaal BV is extremely effective when you just want to delete everything from screen.

If I am lucky, general is on the side I was running to, but very often there isnt any :/

Tbh, you should definitely use totems over anything else, wither almost literally doubles your DPS, so if deciding between vaal skills and wither, use Wither 100%.

GL with u elder :)
My builds:
Scourge Arrow Poison Prolif Pathfinder - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2551841
My site:
https://mapsofexile.com/

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