D3 Forum Filled with Nerd Rage

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LowBudget780 wrote:

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grepman wrote:

this is a nonsense argument,

No it's not.

spare me the theatrics.

any time you sacrifice idea for money, you sell out.

you can sugarcoat it all you want, you can give me all business models all you want, you can dramatize it all you want and make it a les miserables situation all you want

its not going to change that fact.

remember that joke about a woman who was asked whether she would sleep with a random guy for few millions and she was like sure, then asked if she sleep with a random guy for a few dollars and she was like who do you take me for and the person asking was like Im pretty sure you know who Im taking you for, Im just trying to establish a price range ?

well, any time one makes a compromise for money, they're already past that woman, because they're done with haggling and they've already past establishing the price range. they're in the 'bend over and take it' phase.

and even better fact - if your idea can be bought off with money, you didnt value that idea highly to start with.

sad, but true.

if there is a price range where you are willing to sacrifice your ideas for, I already know who you are.

So what was the original vision, in your opinion, @Grepman?
You seem to know something i do not, so by all means.. enlighten me.

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grepman wrote:

and even better fact - if your idea can be bought off with money, you didnt value that idea highly to start with.

sad, but true.

if there is a price range where you are willing to sacrifice your ideas for, I already know who you are.

Let's be real, there are a handful of "ideals" I would never change regardless of the amount....

And a whole lot of flexibility on almost everything else depending on the amount.

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Arrowneous wrote:

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LowBudget780 wrote:

The game needs new players to survive.

This arpg needs the butter smooth performance of D3 to really survive and thrive. Also, instead of PoE on mobile (that's crap), and I'm neutral on PS/4 port (I'll never own a console), what we need to make PoE be trade-centric is a mobile app for selling PoE items. What kind of last century brain-dead stupidity is having to be logged into PoE to get any WTB messages. GGG should be stealing Blizzard's thunder/failure by announcing a mobile app for being able to sell from anywhere. Instant message receiving of WTB whispers for sellers on mobile and selling the item from anywhere would crush Blizzard and make selling/buying work better. To be clear the app would be for selling only, to buy we still need to be logged into PoE to send the WTB, get the seller invite (from the seller on the mobile app), and go into the seller's hideout to complete the transaction. The mobile app would unchain sellers from having to be logged into PoE to sell (just respond to the WTB message in the phone app, make the transaction, and log out again). Simple and much needed.

Butter smooth is easy but you remove complexity. You think D3 has chance to hit and about 1000 other things this game has to calculate and transmit? Fuck all that. Stay with simple and smooth or complexity and victim of technology your choice. I like we have choices and not every game is A move and will stay here even with the hiccups.

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grepman wrote:

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LowBudget780 wrote:

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grepman wrote:

this is a nonsense argument,

No it's not.

spare me the theatrics.

any time you sacrifice idea for money, you sell out.

you can sugarcoat it all you want, you can give me all business models all you want, you can dramatize it all you want and make it a les miserables situation all you want

its not going to change that fact.

remember that joke about a woman who was asked whether she would sleep with a random guy for few millions and she was like sure, then asked if she sleep with a random guy for a few dollars and she was like who do you take me for and the person asking was like Im pretty sure you know who Im taking you for, Im just trying to establish a price range ?

well, any time one makes a compromise for money, they're already past that woman, because they're done with haggling and they've already past establishing the price range. they're in the 'bend over and take it' phase.

Whats funny is these great brand name developers (blizard, bioware etc) all made their names being PC hard core for gamer. You'd think they'd stick with what worked... No. I don't know if it's whoring because these dudes already have fuck you money so much as just following trends

They kill Deckard Cain how do trust them?

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NeoG wrote:

They kill Deckard Cain how do trust them?

It's no secret I didn't love D3. The Deckard Cain part of the story was certainly top 3 for why. It's not that he shouldn't die, but making it as some pawn who is just captured by a overglorified butterfly and then killed in a very bland manner was in bad taste.

I know most folks in this genre don't care about storyline and that's fine. But the developer should care, especially with the Diablo franchise where the storyline was part of the draw for some of us.

GGG should make an NPC zombie of him that wanders aimlessly on the coast searching for some answer to his pointless and anticlimactic death.

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Tides5 wrote:

@Ghamdavar
While i agree with practically all your points, i disagree with your conclusion.
Being "hardcore" or not isnt defined by how you make(or dont make) your builds. It's a mix of alot of things, like the builds, the time you put in, but most of all, your attitude to the game. I've seen lvl 99's who cant be arsed levelling up their masters (i'd say thats a non hardcore mindset) and i've seen people reroll 10+ characters in a span of just a few days because it did not do EXACLY as they expected.

The term "hardcore gamer" is just too vague to be defined in a broad sense imo.

Even the most hardcore poe player will be a casual according to someone elses standard. 😀😉

Edit: iirc a few leagues ago i tried my hand at making my own build.. it failed miserably but would that not make me hardcore to your definition of the word?
Not trying to be rude, just trying to elaborate on my point to advoid confusion 😀

Hey Tides5, that's exactly what i meant ;)
When people fear casuals it is (as most fears) pretty unreasonable. Casuality is defined by so many stats as hardcorism is. That's what i meant: This game right here is as casual or as hardcore as nearly any other arpg out there. And that's the good job GGG made. IF you want to lose your life to this game, you can. If you don't, you don't have to. That is, in my opinion, why POE is so successful. And not because it is so "hardcore" as some here state. Because it isn't, if you don't make it so. Some of the people here that fear that POE gets too casual now are playing casual copied meta-builds and have chars at around lvl 90. Nothing to worry about, i would say ;)

@the mobile topic: I don't get why that is the thing that annoys people the most. I don't care about a mobile game by Blizzard. I trust them in general to make it a great game (by mobile standards) just because they are still Blizzard. Will i play it? Hell no. I personally hate mobile games. They are flat, they are aimed directly at my wallet and they don't interest me at all (why should they? I got my consoles, my PC beast, don't need that stuff).
What annoys me personally is the way they announced DI, how they reacted to criticism and how they try to sell DI to "us" as some shit that will make us love Diablo even more. "We" wanted a D4 or a D2 remaster (maybe D2 remaster even more?). There is a place for DI. I think that the game by itself is no problem. It may be fun for some or many. No problems with that. But if you love a franchise, if you waited for a resurrection after the d3 vanilla fiasco and the promising reaper updates, you have to be angry if THAT is the message they threw at "us" at the end of their opening ceremony...
"Don't you have phones"? My ass.

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ghamadvar wrote:

Hey Tides5, that's exactly what i meant ;)

We agree 😮
The world must be ending, people are agreeing on the internet!