How Poe elites ruined Bestiary AND Incursion - Bestiary you will be missed.

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TheLockedGuy wrote:

As 4 months later seems a bit long to me.

I think the only reason for that is the release schedule. If they did releases more frequently then it might come sooner but as it is I find it pretty logical they will be waiting until the next release. I too wish it was coming sooner, but I'm hoping Delve is interesting enough that I don't really miss it too much.

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Since you edited your post after I replied I'll just add that we'll have to agree to disagree.

Uh didn't even read your post ... i mean yours was posted 50 seconds before mine was edited. But please feel free to leave the conversation if you dont like the facts that bestiary was more successful.

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the labyrinth was an expansion, not a league mechanic.

Just show me where i said it was a league. I said it was hated when it was released. But it got its chance and was polished.

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source ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWCpyAq6JyE

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Since we've reached that point, can a mod lock the thread ? :>

Doesnt really surprise me that you ask for censorship. ... after all those counterarguments. :D

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Saying that they removed warband is ... either showing a loooot of bad faith, or have no recent experience of mapping, which would be ironic since ... you know, you were complaining about the lack of "end goals" haha.

>He does not remember/or just ignores the whole warband mechanic about seeing them on the map to farm them, which never was added to the game again.

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DivineChampion wrote:

Why are you all replying to this nonsense from troll?

Cause he thinks hes gods chosen of the community LOL

No... We all know that's what you think about yourself. Ok Mr. bucket. Don't confuse yourself with others.

The reason why sane people are replying... is to reason with him. But got to love it when you answer a rhetorical question wrong.

The OP is just upset, and is in denial that his opinion isn't what the majority of people think.

I am not elite. I still hated Beastiary because it was bloatware. Deterministic crafting never needed to be as complicated as it was made to be in Bestiary. Menagerie management was a pointless and time-wasting activity. Ten different kinds of nets was unnecessary and having them take up inventory space was annoying. Red beasts that could be harder to take down than some bosses was also annoying, as was the need to target them to capture them when there was always a herd of summons and a lot of visual effects following them around.

If Beastiary was a person it would be the crazy aunt or uncle who just has to describe their colonoscopy in copious detail to everybody they meet, instead of just saying that the process was uncomfortable and that the test came back negative.

I'm sideways on incursions. They're kind of fun and kind of not. I don't see a link between incursions being fun or not and Beastiary.

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EnjoyTheJourney wrote:

I'm sideways on incursions. They're kind of fun and kind of not. I don't see a link between incursions being fun or not and Beastiary.

There isn't one. It's a super long stretch to even suggest there is one. Might as well say Abyss league is the reason bestiary failed. It is the same logic.

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Lewnatic wrote:

Just imagine GGG would have decided to remove Ascendancy classes or prophecies from the game. Simply because back then people hated prophecies and the labyrinth. And yes a lot of people hated the labyrinth back when it was released. But guess what? The lab got improvements. And its pretty good and rewarding right now.

I would be absolutely happy if labyrinth would be totally removed. It is awful by its very design. I hate it with passion even with all "polishing."

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Lewnatic wrote:

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the labyrinth was an expansion, not a league mechanic.

Just show me where i said it was a league. I said it was hated when it was released.

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Lewnatic wrote:

Just imagine GGG would have decided to remove Ascendancy classes or prophecies from the game.

As I said, you have been mixing and confusing everything ( very blurred line in Incursion, but you're bitching about Bestiary being gone ).
They didn't remove ascendancy classes obviously because it was NOT a challenge league.
Like they didn't remove Atziri, or removed act 5 to 10 ( how stupid would have that been seriously ?)



About the video, Chris said that some elements in the Incursion league were "quite polished and more matured by the time you got here".

Which is blatantly different from :

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Lewnatic wrote:

even though it was stated to be the most polished league ever when started.

But it is not surprising that you are resorting to switch fallacious word-twisting method, because : you have nothing to say, you have no actual argument, nothing.
Which is the same reason why you are resorting to shit analogy too.

We told you what was what, we actually gave arguments, you have absolutely nothing.

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TheLockedGuy wrote:

I wouldn't word it that way. I would prefer incursion sooner. But I am not going to complain as it is in the plans. I feel other's might care more than you think. As 4 months later seems a bit long to me.

You're right, I think that what I said was a bit too extreme indeed.
My point was that Incursion being gone for a little while isn't going to be game breaking, and I'm personally more hyped with Delve tbh, I'm definitely not the only one.

I played Bestiary about as much as I played Harbringer and I have to say, I enjoyed Harbringer a lot more. I didn't enjoy either too much though.

My problems with Bestiary:

1. The arena with 3 red beasts was a clusterfuck. When I was killing all my beasts at the end of the league, I realized for the first time how absurdly overpowered the red beasts were. Fighting 1 at a time, okay-ish. But 3 of them at the same time, insane.
2. Beast crafting recipes were 90% trash. There was no filter to filter out the trash.
3. I think one of the most vital points in crafting is to know how many more times you can craft something, so that you know when to quit the casino. When beast crafting though, there was no knowing if you have 10 of that beast type or just 1, unless you went through some awkward menus.
4. I played a culler build. That doesn't work well with nets.

I have no idea what "poe elites" means. The league was not good and didn't deserve to reach the core game.

Let me remind you today to edit or just delete this thread so when people who are so confused by all the beast oneshot and popup windows spam and not a sign of Farrul's try to google all this shit they won't see your failed prophecy and FLAWED reasoning

Beast 3.5/2.0 is shit. I mean I like having it vs. no Beast at all but 3.5 Beast is a dumb down version tailored to everyone that bitched about Beast 1.0.

No nets results in not actually 'capturing' anything. The beast I get in t15+ reds unlock really stupid recipes for their applicable tier. Where is my map mirror recipe? Where is all the good shit? Where is the ability to trade beasts?



It was one of my favorite leagues and clearly I was in the minority on that but some of the best crafts came out of that league and the people that complained probably didn't even scratch the surface. That girl Tarke and other streamers kept bitch and bitching and bitching about it on stream and their crap videos and after they yank it she back peddles how she loved the league and just wanted some minor changes.