Atziri's reflection = ultimate bait and switch

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We should be able to plan around the item existing. I recognize it would be chase, but it being rarer than a mirror is stupid. You could plan a build around skyforth even though it is ~15ex because you know that, even if not right away, you can 100% obtain it with enough grinding. If only 0-1 reflections show up per few days on trade (I personally have never seen a single one) then how the fuck is that item even in the game?

You are spoiled like most players nowadays. I remember times when you couldn't even plan a build around Alphas Howl, because it was rare despite just being a T2 unique and was usually upwards 3ex. So you did was a lot of people still do today. You start a build with basically no item requirements and then you make a build around the items you get with that char, or the ones that are affordable for you.

here is the problem - as i see it

the rarity of this prophecy/item seemingly is rarer than a mirror, with that being said and the demand for it, IF i get it to proc i could charge just about anything i want for it (couple mirrors maybe..?)

while this is AWESOME imo as a person who enjoys the economy, i can understand the frustration of those planning to build around it

perhaps it would have been nice if GGG at least warned us ahead of time that this prophecy was going to be as rare as it is....

Let me get this straight.

OP is complaining that 1 week after league launch, a top end unique that can only be acquired by defeating one of the hardest endgame bosses is not so abundant that he can just buy it from someone.

GGG, see what happens when your only method of rewarding players is to keep giving them MOAR STUFFZ patch after patch? They start expecting things like this.

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suszterpatt wrote:

Let me get this straight.

OP is complaining that 1 week after league launch, a top end unique that can only be acquired by defeating one of the hardest endgame bosses is not so abundant that he can just buy it from someone.

GGG, see what happens when your only method of rewarding players is to keep giving them MOAR STUFFZ patch after patch? They start expecting things like this.

The rarity has absolutely nothing to do with the difficulty of Uber Atziri as you can buy an Uber Atziri kill for peanuts, that isn't the problem. The problem is that the prophecy and Atziri's Reflection itself simply aren't available for purchase, even if I had 20 Mirrors, 30,000 Exalts and 400 Headhunters I could not purchase this item.

I've had woops set up for every league since the start of Bestiary and I've seen a grand total of one Atziri's Reflection. I'm currently sitting on BSC with fists full of exalts ready to throw at it, but I can't because it essentially doesn't exist and it's incredibly frustrating.

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Emphasy wrote:

You are spoiled like most players nowadays. I remember times when you couldn't even plan a build around Alphas Howl, because it was rare despite just being a T2 unique and was usually upwards 3ex. So you did was a lot of people still do today. You start a build with basically no item requirements and then you make a build around the items you get with that char, or the ones that are affordable for you.

But you absolutely could plan around Alpha's Howl, because while it was both rare and expensive there was always plenty of them available for purchase if you managed to accumulate enough currency. This simply isn't the case with this item.

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suszterpatt wrote:

Let me get this straight.

OP is complaining that 1 week after league launch, a top end unique that can only be acquired by defeating one of the hardest endgame bosses is not so abundant that he can just buy it from someone.

GGG, see what happens when your only method of rewarding players is to keep giving them MOAR STUFFZ patch after patch? They start expecting things like this.

Let me get THIS straight - you genuinely believe that uber azoobi is not farmable within the first week of league? Lol? Sounds like your issue is that you're a baddie, and that's why you feel like this item should be unattainable. I utterly fail to see how me expecting something - a single item, mind you - to cost more than a typical player makes in a whole three month league and being willing and able to pay that cost 1 week into league makes me entitled or something. Either you have a serious case of rose tinted glasses for D2, you are a masochist, or you're trolling. There are 10+ headhunters and mirrors for sale in BSC at most times of day. If you think atziris reflection is so strong that it deserves to be many times rarer than either of those then you genuinely have no idea what you're talking about.

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Emphasy wrote:

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We should be able to plan around the item existing. I recognize it would be chase, but it being rarer than a mirror is stupid. You could plan a build around skyforth even though it is ~15ex because you know that, even if not right away, you can 100% obtain it with enough grinding. If only 0-1 reflections show up per few days on trade (I personally have never seen a single one) then how the fuck is that item even in the game?

You are spoiled like most players nowadays. I remember times when you couldn't even plan a build around Alphas Howl, because it was rare despite just being a T2 unique and was usually upwards 3ex. So you did was a lot of people still do today. You start a build with basically no item requirements and then you make a build around the items you get with that char, or the ones that are affordable for you.

Perception is everything my friend. If you think me being willing to pay 15ex for a fucking shield with no offensive stats is being "spoiled"...

Maybe? I guess if you are going by 1.0 standards? You know, when the game had like 500 people and barely any following because it went too far towards the hardcore end of the spectrum. I personally think 15ex is a lot of fucking investment for something that is not a weapon or stat stick (and indeed gives no direct offensive power at all). If the standard for "spoiled" was being able to have endgame gear requiring 15ex in every gear slot, I doubt many people would be left playing this game.

First one on SCB just sold for 53 exalts. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2105025/page/2#p15351372

I've spent 3k silver coins trying to get this prophecy, the person who won the bid spent 20k coins and someone on standard spent 13k coins. (I haven't verified this don't know who it was - was mentioned by Dsfarblarwaggle)

As it stands there are literally more Mirrors and headhunters on both leagues. I just can't believe this is intended.

There have been a total of 2 known prophecies 1 on each HCB and SCB.

What's up with that?

^ is it possible this item is the best item in game and that is why it is so rare?

i personally looked at it and didn't see much that wow'd me but i could be wrong...

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D3izhistory wrote:

^ is it possible this item is the best item in game and that is why it is so rare?

i personally looked at it and didn't see much that wow'd me but i could be wrong...

Hardly. It's great for soul mantle and occultists (RIP my build) but beyond that most people probably would not bother with it and just use a warding flask with a long duration if they're really concerned about curses. It's no more build enabling or OP than maybe shavs or such in my opinion, certainly not stronger than HH or whatever crazy weapon you could copy with a mirror. Its rarity is way out of line with its actual power. For it to be this rare and be worth the cost, it would need something absurd like +500 ES imho.

I'm also very frustrated by this.
I've been farming currency since league start, held out on gearing my character otherwise.
And now what? poe ninja shows 50 people using headhunter, and 3 people using Atziri's Reflection in all leagues combined.
Does GGG really think this is reasonable? Because I would strongly disagree.
We have seen, what, 2 or 3 in softcore trade? And easily over 15 mirrors?

I can only imagine that they perhaps overestimated the amount of people going for prophecies?
I have read many times now that people dump thousands of coins into prophecies without ever seen The Queen's Sacrifice.

Then you need to consider that despite this immense rarity, the price for which an Atziri's Reflection has been traded for before has been far below a Headhunter's. It just isn't that strong for nearly as wide of a selection of builds. It is very niche. Would it be widely used if it was super common? Sure. Do I want it to be super common? No. I simply want it to be able to fill the Soul Mantle Self-Flagellation niche for those who grind enough. Does that not sound reasonable?

I would love to see an official response in this thread.