Multi-Boxing. Finally. The facts.

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poltus wrote:

This thread is not about content releases. This is people complaining about multiboxing/logging. GGG has said shit all about it.

Good catch of the derail.

GGG hasnt said anything about it because they arent sure how to word it. I give you an example of fancy wording.

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Charan wrote:

When people ask, I say multiboxing is not disallowed.

This isn't the same as encouraged or enthusiastically supported. It just means GGG knows it happens. They made accounts free. They'd have to be ridiculously naive to not realise that multiboxing would be a direct result of free accounts.

They dont want multiboxing, but they arent sure how to get rid of it either...

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Zalm wrote:

Its nearly impossible to trace and detect, and then punishing it is nearly impossible as well.

Ban the account? Which one? All of them? What if they werent using their main to multibox? What if all the proceeds went into an entirely different account? Or got traded away nearly instantly? How do you trace that?

So does GGG support it? no. But do they allow it? Reluctantly.

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KillerKG wrote:

Bummer. Watching this game go down the drain by the day. Already seeing more trolls in game doing this. Already seeing the effects big time in the economy. Way to ruin the game losers.

PoE is not deep enough to last more then a couple months the way it is atm. Anemic loot drops and insanely slow post~75xp do not keep people playing very long. If you try you can hit a veritable wall in your character progression in days, maybe weeks at most.

The game evolves when people work their way through content. If GGG is going to continue being totally silent on this issue then you need to deal with it. Everyone keeps talking about how this game is supposed to be so cutthroat and hardcore.

Don't hate the players, hate the game.


hah I know I know but I had to...

Maybe you didnt hear that they were going to be putting new content out (ie a new act) once a year? So maybe you dont care to listen to what any of the devs say. Instead, you'd rather just brandish them silent.

good god 1 ACT A YEAR?? everyone has allready finished ACT3 on all difficulties and we have to wait another 6 months or something for ACT4? game wont last that long need an act every few months.

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Sacada66 wrote:

good god 1 ACT A YEAR?? everyone has allready finished ACT3 on all difficulties and we have to wait another 6 months or something for ACT4? game wont last that long need an act every few months.

You do understand that maps are the actual endgame, right?

Not like Diablo got tons of new acts all the time.

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poltus wrote:

I consider this problem to be a response to players with little to do but farm. These same players simply look for the most efficient way to farm.

I feel strongly that Multilogging is a response, to whatever extent, to boredom.

I think this game could have ten full acts and people would still find, very quickly, places to farm and thus apply meta-game techniques such as multiboxing.

Look at Guild Wars 2. Fucking massive game. Massive. And still it got hit with bots en masse.

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Sacada66 wrote:

good god 1 ACT A YEAR?? everyone has allready finished ACT3 on all difficulties and we have to wait another 6 months or something for ACT4? game wont last that long need an act every few months.

More than most Arpgs...who only put out new content once every 3-4 years if that.

wait a minute people are just allowed to log on and multibox loads of characters to cheat to get more items than everyone else? why is this allowed its just cheating had no idea about these things.

Iv never played diablo, but they have to release more Acts and quicker. but zalm it only takes about 10 hours to do 1 act lol wtf???

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Zalm wrote:

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I hate to say this, but if you think making a mouse based game useless by making it illegal to use a mouse, then your an idiot.

No... i do not repeat myself. Please read my post again and consider. I dont think the devs are idiots.

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But no, I dont like multiboxing, and dont think it should be allowed, but the point has been made before. Its nearly impossible to trace and detect, and then punishing it is nearly impossible as well.

Multykeying is relativly easy to detect (serverlog - several simultanous actions in a row, like portals etc.). Relativ, like tracking bots.
And i never posted against multiboxing. Just that 5-dummy-systems seems imba to me. And i cant imagine that the devs who made this game like the spirit of such easy loot.

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Zalm wrote:

Ban the account? Which one? All of them? What if they werent using their main to multibox? What if all the proceeds went into an entirely different account? Or got traded away nearly instantly? How do you trace that?

So does GGG support it? no. But do they allow it? Reluctantly.

Reluctantly indeed.
In this case, banwaves are never a longterm solution, i dont believe this devs fall for it.

In short, i think we agree there is something wrong in this case. Lets get some ideas rolling (like the /player x command, whatsoever) how to fix that.

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Charan wrote:

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poltus wrote:

I consider this problem to be a response to players with little to do but farm. These same players simply look for the most efficient way to farm.

I feel strongly that Multilogging is a response, to whatever extent, to boredom.

I think this game could have ten full acts and people would still find, very quickly, places to farm and thus apply meta-game techniques such as multiboxing.

Look at Guild Wars 2. Fucking massive game. Massive. And still it got hit with bots en masse.

That was within 2 weeks of the games release.

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Sacada66 wrote:

wait a minute people are just allowed to log on and multibox loads of characters to cheat to get more items than everyone else? why is this allowed its just cheating had no idea about these things.

Its not considered cheating. Not to GGG, not yet.

Whoever said Multi-boxing isn't traceable has no idea how a login system works. GGG allows it otherwise they could EASILY implement a system to stop most multiboxers and all multi-login people.

Multiple Logins from same IP connection [flag that shit]
Playing in the same instance [flag that shit]

but what if they actually have separate computers on the same network like a netcafe?

Computer Identifier ie MAC ADDRESS the same [flag that shit]

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Sacada66 wrote:

good god 1 ACT A YEAR?? everyone has allready finished ACT3 on all difficulties and we have to wait another 6 months or something for ACT4? game wont last that long need an act every few months.

Everyone has *not* finished act3 on all difficulties. I, for one, haven't. I know plenty of people who only play a few hours a *week*.

So please don't presume that just because some people have burned through the content that everyone has.

Also, which part of 'indie game with tiny dev team working on relatively small budget' did you miss? Just curious, because it seems to me that you're expecting far more from this game than is fair.

I can understand that -- sometimes Path of Exile feels like it was made by a company able to produce quality new content at the drop of a hat, a company that has a full art department, full music department, full area design department, full animation department...

It doesn't. It has individuals working an entire department's worth.

Please keep that in mind when you comment on the amount of content in the game currently and planned additions for the future.

Also, as this is off-topic for the thread, I'll ask that you either make another thread airing your concerns or drop it. This thread is for multi-boxing discussion. Your concern is, at best, a stretch in terms of relevance.