65,000 Armor vs Shaper
" I'm not exactly sure, my best guess based on how it felt when I got hit is, yes it does the same damage if not a little more damage than the slam. The slam should be doing something like 7414 with physical damage which would be about 3950 on my character. And one of the rocks definitely hit me for at least that much. Edit: Slight edit. The slam would be doing 9638 damage because my Minotaur was possessed by Cutthroat Tormented Spirit which increased physical damage by 30%. I'd get hit for about 5756, which sounds more correct when rewatching the video. (⌐■_■) Last edited by RPGlitch#6206 on Nov 28, 2017, 5:13:09 AM
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You should try T15 Malachai 1st phase sceptre slam and Shaper slam, these are the hardest phys oneshots from my experience.
Btw why don't you use shield charge instead of flame dash in your claw? Additional fortify on top of all defences should shine. Last edited by tm10067#1871 on Nov 28, 2017, 5:17:54 AM
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" I did shaper later that day and it hit hard, haha. Somewhere around 8,500 slam damage when I had like one or two endurance charges. (I decided to tank it, because science). I'll post a vid of shaper this weekend if I have time if people what to see how 17,000 physical damage hits 65,000 armor. " I don't use shield charge because my claw is corrupted with culling strike implicit so rearranging it is a bit troublesome. For most situations, I just found fortify doesn't make much difference because your hardly ever in danger of dying. So, I just ended using flame dash because the gem colors were correct for it. Although, for shaper. I think I'll have to give in rearrange the colors. Just too many scary things that hit like a truck. Just to reiterate, for any new people. The Shaper does an attack slam which does 300% damage of his basic attack. His basic attack is 5689 which is roughly 17,067 physical damage with the 300% slam. This pretty much one shots all builds, which is why you see everyone move out of the way in all [3.0] shaper videos. (it's not very hard to avoid either, so there's that) Against armor with no extra physical mitigation the breakdown goes something like this 65000 Armor = 12359 damage taken 30000 Armor = 14515 damage taken 10000 Armor = 16122 damage taken Against armor with 28% physical mitigation 65000 Armor = 7581 damage taken 30000 Armor = 9736 damage taken 10000 Armor = 11343 damage taken Including, fortify. 65000 Armor = 6064 damage taken 30000 Armor = 7789 damage taken 10000 Armor = 9441 damage taken So the builds that can tank shaper's slam need at least over 6000 to 7000 health with a ton of physical damage reduction from endurance, fortify, etc.... Or they need over 9000 to 13000 health with just fortify and some other ways of gaining physical damage reduction. I can probably count the current harbringer builds that can tank shaper's slam on one hand. So for 99% of all builds. You are dead, probably 3 times over. The slam can also be block'd or evaded. So for some builds, you'll take no damage some of the time. (⌐■_■) Last edited by RPGlitch#6206 on Nov 28, 2017, 8:33:46 PM
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Does it really deal only physical damage or some portion of elemental damage? It could be tested with IC active.
And what about critical hit. Does shaper have 5% crit chance/ 130% crit multi as typical monster? Damage would go up to 22k then ... Last edited by Rakiii#5559 on Nov 29, 2017, 5:59:03 AM
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My explosive arrow pathfinder has 100-120k Armour with... Iron reflexes.., determination, molten shell, three-step assault boots, and some good evasion rare equip. Of course three flasks always up. Flat Armour with 100% Armour, same for evasion, and stibnite. 82 max resists.
And... Still dying a lot in T14-15 full of sxtants' mob packs. Only good news that Uber lab is a joke for me now. My conclusion I say: don't stack more than 60-75 k Armour. |
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These mobs are probably doing elemental damage and armor won´t save you.
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"¸ Mind posting your build + gear. I'm using a similar build and I would like to see your way of doing it? |
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" May be yes, may be not. I mention, if there is a lot of beyond archers or any other mobs with heavy physical dmg on hand, they could probably strike you simultaneously, and that's more on ggg rather than on difference between 60k and 120k Armour. If those monsters can hit me with 1500 while 120k armour, with 60k it will be still not much - 2,3k dmg for my 7k life. In this case I prefer having few armour (60-75k) and double my own dmg.)) if monster's life is shorter - ggg have less chances to strike simultaneously or critical etc. whatever happen |
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" Hmm. It did roughly the same damage as I'd expect if it was pure physical, but yeah. Immortal Call would confirm it. As for critical strikes. Shaper can critical hit, because I have word of light which triggers on critical hit. So, its a possible to get hit by a 22,000 damage slam. Though, as crazy as it sounds. I'd still be able to survive with fortify, jesus christ. Might be one of the few times, I'd consider a granite flask on a build with already insane armor, to get even more insane armor to tank an attack. " You can find my build here https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2022539/page/1 You can also just put in my name RPGlitch into Path of Building if you have it. My account is public. (⌐■_■) Last edited by RPGlitch#6206 on Nov 30, 2017, 4:14:14 AM
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And on the topic of shaper damage, that reminds me of an old vid I saw, haha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yNr4mMPfsE (⌐■_■) Last edited by RPGlitch#6206 on Nov 30, 2017, 3:59:01 AM
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