ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP

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rojimboo wrote:


Trump Jr. makes fun of Ocasio-Cortez by sharing meme that suggests socialists eat dogs


The orange doesn't fall far from the tree.
Conversations can be tiring and they can be unrewarding. I do not tolerate conversations that are both.
I think you guys are ascribing too much intelligence to Bush. I think little George inherited his brains from his dad, not his mom.

I'll tell the truth; Bush was a bad president. The liberals that have been singing his praises all week used to bitch and moan about him ceaselessly. Much of it justified, imo.

Death brings out the hypocrisy in certain people like nothing else.
Wraeclast: Where no one smokes but everyone dies.
There's a song by an Australian comedy group called 'Even [censored word] are top blokes after death', so this is hardly a new sentiment.

Thing is, until Trump I gave zero shits about American politics other than I was pretty sure they were fucked. Like, systemically fucked. Trump could be a Democrat. He could be independent. I would still say the things I say because at heart I am an apolitical creature. I am, however, very much interested in human nature, and one tends to have their nature scrutinised when one sits at the top of the civilised world.

Until Trump, I felt every president behaved largely as they should in that role. Trump's lowered the bar so far that yeah, it's hard not to look at a career serviceman and public servant like Bush Snr and think, 'that was a good president'. Not good as in he did wonders for the country, but good as in he did the job at hand to the best of his ability. Give or take. There is no historical evidence to the contrary.

There is going to be a mountain of evidence that Trump made a mockery of the Presidential role in the years to come for people to look at and think, 'that was not a good president'. Many would argue there already is, but I'm thinking historically here.

My motivation for Trump to cease to exist one way or another is fairly selfish. I look forward to a return to the status quo wherein it is no longer important on a daily basis for everyday people around the world to worry about who the president of the US is or what foolishness he might say today. I genuinely miss that.

Trump supporters got what they wanted. An upset to the system. A new order. A new style of President. But it seems to me it was a loaded gift to begin with, a genie's wish about having a dick that touches the ground. I imagine as the days roll on and the end becomes more and more evident, at least some of them might tuck tail and face reality. Curiously, we see Fox News presenters doing just that right now. Better late than never I suppose.

When your turn comes to consider if Trump was a bad president and maybe not all radical changes are good even if the system is fucked, I hope you think carefully about it.
Conversations can be tiring and they can be unrewarding. I do not tolerate conversations that are both.
Nicely put, Charan.

What we are seeing here is yet again the rise and fall of populism.

It's easy to appeal to people's hope's and dreams, and more so to their fears. The problem that is common here in Europe or across the pond, is that once they get into power, it's like they are surprised to even be there. Like a virgin, on the first night. They have little clue what to do next.

For example, in Finland we have this right-wing party (almost far-right) in a coalition government with two other centrist parties. They are called the True Finns party, and they got elected with the usual xenophobic populist rhetoric. In Finnish, it's PerusSuomalaiset, and you can translate it to also mean the Basic Finns, which is what I call them.

They have not kept a single campaign promise, about immigration or anything else for that matter. Actually, the party had massive internal problems and a huge fraction split away, leaving some fragmented remains in place. They are the least popular party in polls for some time now.

I'm seeing a similar pattern across the world. Initial hope and infatuation, followed by a terrible honeymoon, followed by reality and a crippling divorce and then finally an epiphany about future such relations.

I just hope it happens sooner rather than later, and the damage (US domestic, but also global) is not horrifically bad.
Oh I don't think you are seeing the fall of populism (globally) by a long shot. Still on the rise in a massive way. Some of it is quite scary too, if you ask me.
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Just wait until some YouTuber gets elected President of the U.S.
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Completed 10 ChallengesNizreb915 wrote:
Just wait until some YouTuber gets elected President of the U.S.


Is a caricature of a successful businessman from a reality tv show much different?
Conversations can be tiring and they can be unrewarding. I do not tolerate conversations that are both.
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rojimboo wrote:
What we are seeing here is yet again the rise and fall of populism.

Not even close.

What we are seeing is a decline of liberalism and a rejection of globalist elitism. Everywhere in Europe, USA, Brasil.. populism is on the rise, both right-wing and left-wing.

What do you think Bernie Sanders is? He's a left wing populist. Same with that Disney-eyed Ocasio-Cortez princess. All populism. The elitist establishment is loosing ground in both US parties.

And this time is the right-wing populism that speaks to the working class and the masses suffering from globalist policies. The protest in France is scaring the shit out of the leftist liberal bourgeoisie, which only pays lip service to the working class, while fully supporting their economic, cultural & demographic destruction.

E: instead of providing an example of supposed failure of populism in Finland, maybe look at the success of right-wing populism in a relevant country, like Italy or Brasil.
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Completed 11 Challengesmorbo wrote:
And this time is the right-wing populism that speaks to the working class and the masses suffering from globalist policies.


I really really, really don't get this. What of the right wing speaks to you as working class? Do you think that you are going to get more rights, more freedom?

The right wing has never been there for the people, all they do is give more and more power to businesses, oligarchs and the like. Natural persons always loose in this scenario.
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Completed 11 ChallengesBastrd wrote:
I really really, really don't get this. What of the right wing speaks to you as working class? Do you think that you are going to get more rights, more freedom?

If by "right-wing" you mean USA style republican conservatives, then you are right. But the same goes for establishment democrats - they are both beholden to corporate donors and don't care about the working class. In fact they both support mass immigration, tax cuts for the corporate class and so called "free markets" that ship production abroad.

I'm talking about right-wing populism, aka. nationalism, which is putting the nation and people first and the interests of global capital later. I prob. don't need to explain how the working class benefits from not importing cheap foreign labour? Or allowing corporatons to evade taxation or move production away?

The neoliberal globalist politicians in Europe are the most hated, while populists (eg. in Italy) have extreme popularity. You guys think Trump is unpopular?? Try Macron, Merkel or May. That little weasel Macron might even bite the dust - all due to a populist grassroots uprising of the workers.

Populism is only starting. People are sick of cultural "progressivism" and neoliberal capitalism. And since the leftist liberal inteligentsiya is completely stuck in their ivory towers of irrelevant cultural issues no-one cares about, the right has an excellent opportunity to grab the common people by adressing their grievances.

Trump will easily win 2020 if he'll deliver at least something he promised. If he'll play the usual conservative republican politics (don't do anything about immigration, more wars in the ME, more money for Israel), he'll loose.
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