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Completed 5 ChallengesAim_Deep wrote:
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Khoranth wrote:
If global manmade climate change is actually real, and a serious threat, then the entire world needs to follow a strict set of rules, enforced by trading sanctions, and military force.

As long as extremists leftists insist only the USA (and a few other countries) need to actually follow the rules, and most of the world can do whatever, then I will firmly believe manmade climate change is a hoax.

Just China & India alone will exceed all current global pollution in a few decades. Not to mention all the other countries that get exemptions in every hoax climate deal.


I belive experts because I can't know nor do I care to know everything. It's like my laptop has a bad battery evidently I'm not about to open it up to fix it. I stay in my lane and called Dell and they are coming to the house.

When all these PhDs in science are saying anthropocentric climate change is real I believe it.

All I know is how to dig holes in the ground, manage ppl, deal with city hall and a bit about geo politics. Not fucking science

I work for a lot of doctors and other smart people and when they try and tell me how to do my job I'm all " I come do your next surgery you can build this pool" They STFU


I agree, and when the actions actually harmonize with their words, I'll believe in manmade climate change.

As of right now, their actions tell me it is a hoax designed to damage the USA economy and bolster the economies of China and all the other exempt countries.
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Khoranth wrote:
If global manmade climate change is actually real, and a serious threat, then the entire world needs to follow a strict set of rules, enforced by trading sanctions, and military force.

As long as extremists leftists insist only the USA (and a few other countries) need to actually follow the rules, and most of the world can do whatever, then I will firmly believe manmade climate change is a hoax.

Just China & India alone will exceed all current global pollution in a few decades. Not to mention all the other countries that get exemptions in every hoax climate deal.
Climate change is very real, and very much a serious threat. The "manmade" part is the kind of thing one could argue all day — mankind is certainly not 0% responsible, and certainly not 100% responsible, but regardless of speed a climate change apocalypse would be inevitable if we didn't exist, so it's kind of besides the point how manmade it is. The solution to climate change cycles must be implemented by men, or we risk the end of our species on this planet.

As I explained in my previous post, "green energy" propaganda has kept most activists and policymakers away from meaningful action and rendered them useful idiots for the energy lobby (and others) they believe, or claim, they oppose.
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If that's true, then should we not enact strict, world wide guidelines, and use trade sanctions & the military to enforce them?
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Khoranth wrote:
If that's true, then should we not enact strict, world wide guidelines, and use trade sanctions & the military to enforce them?
In general, no, because free markets tend to promote innovation better than centrally planned ones.

However, I don't know exactly how one would privatize atmosphere, so it would probably make more sense for governments to charge a tax for carbon emissions and de-vegetation (on both individuals and businesses) and hold the proceeds in a "carbon bounty" fund. This money (adjusted for inflation) could be reclaimed by demonstrable negative-footprint activity, encouraging free-market development of carbons scrubbing tech (as well as reforestation, etc). Assuming we eventually bring our atmospheric CO2 below current levels, the entire carbon bounty fund should be given back to those who help solve the problem, not kept by government.

But none of that would work currently because world politics is infected by the cancer of state-sanctioned meritless wealth redistribution. There's no way in hell we could keep government from spending thàt fund instead of caving in to widespread pressure to smash the piggy bank.

So basically Marx is going to end up causing the extinction of mankind, unless we eradicate socialism completely.
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ScrotieMcB wrote:
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Khoranth wrote:
If global manmade climate change is actually real, and a serious threat, then the entire world needs to follow a strict set of rules, enforced by trading sanctions, and military force.

As long as extremists leftists insist only the USA (and a few other countries) need to actually follow the rules, and most of the world can do whatever, then I will firmly believe manmade climate change is a hoax.

Just China & India alone will exceed all current global pollution in a few decades. Not to mention all the other countries that get exemptions in every hoax climate deal.
Climate change is very real, and very much a serious threat. The "manmade" part is the kind of thing one could argue all day — mankind is certainly not 0% responsible, and certainly not 100% responsible, but regardless of speed a climate change apocalypse would be inevitable if we didn't exist, so it's kind of besides the point how manmade it is. The solution to climate change cycles must be implemented by men, or we risk the end of our species on this planet.

As I explained in my previous post, "green energy" propaganda has kept most activists and policymakers away from meaningful action and rendered them useful idiots for the energy lobby (and others) they believe, or claim, they oppose.


I read an interesting article that proposed putting a man made sun blocker into the air might be a way to counter act the green house gas effect of carbon dioxide. I don't remember exactly what it was but part of the support involved some information gained after 9/11. After 9/11 many plane flights were grounded and there was some indication that atmosphere warming seemed to accelerate a bit. Of course, this would be a desperation move in that we would be doing something that could significantly impact our earth in unknown ways and pre-testing would not be possible. So it would be risky.

I did a Google search and found this article, although it is not the article that I previously read and was referring to above. https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/science/2018/01/22/creating-clouds-stop-global-warming-could-wreak-havoc/1054026001/
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Khoranth wrote:
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Completed 5 ChallengesAim_Deep wrote:
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Khoranth wrote:
If global manmade climate change is actually real, and a serious threat, then the entire world needs to follow a strict set of rules, enforced by trading sanctions, and military force.

As long as extremists leftists insist only the USA (and a few other countries) need to actually follow the rules, and most of the world can do whatever, then I will firmly believe manmade climate change is a hoax.

Just China & India alone will exceed all current global pollution in a few decades. Not to mention all the other countries that get exemptions in every hoax climate deal.


I belive experts because I can't know nor do I care to know everything. It's like my laptop has a bad battery evidently I'm not about to open it up to fix it. I stay in my lane and called Dell and they are coming to the house.

When all these PhDs in science are saying anthropocentric climate change is real I believe it.

All I know is how to dig holes in the ground, manage ppl, deal with city hall and a bit about geo politics. Not fucking science

I work for a lot of doctors and other smart people and when they try and tell me how to do my job I'm all " I come do your next surgery you can build this pool" They STFU


I agree, and when the actions actually harmonize with their words, I'll believe in manmade climate change.

As of right now, their actions tell me it is a hoax designed to damage the USA economy and bolster the economies of China and all the other exempt countries.


Actually, both India and China are already set to exceed their climate pledges (yes, they have climate change targets as well) - http://www.climatechangenews.com/2017/05/15/india-china-track-exceed-paris-climate-pledges/
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Turtledove wrote:
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ScrotieMcB wrote:
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Khoranth wrote:
If global manmade climate change is actually real, and a serious threat, then the entire world needs to follow a strict set of rules, enforced by trading sanctions, and military force.

As long as extremists leftists insist only the USA (and a few other countries) need to actually follow the rules, and most of the world can do whatever, then I will firmly believe manmade climate change is a hoax.

Just China & India alone will exceed all current global pollution in a few decades. Not to mention all the other countries that get exemptions in every hoax climate deal.
Climate change is very real, and very much a serious threat. The "manmade" part is the kind of thing one could argue all day — mankind is certainly not 0% responsible, and certainly not 100% responsible, but regardless of speed a climate change apocalypse would be inevitable if we didn't exist, so it's kind of besides the point how manmade it is. The solution to climate change cycles must be implemented by men, or we risk the end of our species on this planet.

As I explained in my previous post, "green energy" propaganda has kept most activists and policymakers away from meaningful action and rendered them useful idiots for the energy lobby (and others) they believe, or claim, they oppose.


I read an interesting article that proposed putting a man made sun blocker into the air might be a way to counter act the green house gas effect of carbon dioxide. I don't remember exactly what it was but part of the support involved some information gained after 9/11. After 9/11 many plane flights were grounded and there was some indication that atmosphere warming seemed to accelerate a bit. Of course, this would be a desperation move in that we would be doing something that could significantly impact our earth in unknown ways and pre-testing would not be possible. So it would be risky.

I did a Google search and found this article, although it is not the article that I previously read and was referring to above. https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/science/2018/01/22/creating-clouds-stop-global-warming-could-wreak-havoc/1054026001/


You're talking about geo-engineering. There's loads of ideas when it comes to geo-engineering. From space mirrors to atmospheric composition alteration to oceanic iron seeding and on and on. All extreme steps, mulled over and investigated only as a backup in case things get really dire. They're currently mostly not favored as approaches owing to innumerable risks, unless necessary. I suppose between reduction efforts and these would lie CCS - Carbon Capture & Storage, which is safe enough but a much more expensive option. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_engineering
[quote="Qarl"]Fixed a bug where occasionally Fairgraves, Neverdying never dies.

Path of Exile Version 0.7.0: Completely rebalanced everything[/quote] BEST PATCHNOTES EVER!! :D
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Turtledove wrote:
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ScrotieMcB wrote:
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Khoranth wrote:
If global manmade climate change is actually real, and a serious threat, then the entire world needs to follow a strict set of rules, enforced by trading sanctions, and military force.
Climate change is very real, and very much a serious threat. The "manmade" part is the kind of thing one could argue all day — mankind is certainly not 0% responsible, and certainly not 100% responsible, but regardless of speed a climate change apocalypse would be inevitable if we didn't exist, so it's kind of besides the point how manmade it is. The solution to climate change cycles must be implemented by men, or we risk the end of our species on this planet.

As I explained in my previous post, "green energy" propaganda has kept most activists and policymakers away from meaningful action and rendered them useful idiots for the energy lobby (and others) they believe, or claim, they oppose.
I read an interesting article that proposed putting a man made sun blocker into the air might be a way to counter act the green house gas effect of carbon dioxide. I don't remember exactly what it was but part of the support involved some information gained after 9/11. After 9/11 many plane flights were grounded and there was some indication that atmosphere warming seemed to accelerate a bit. Of course, this would be a desperation move in that we would be doing something that could significantly impact our earth in unknown ways and pre-testing would not be possible. So it would be risky.
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A shining light in a sea of stagnant bong water.
"Bread is garbage. Pure sugar and carbs. Might as well have a Snikers bar with a Mountain Dew chaser. Tastes better less work." - OT Surgeon General Aim_Deep

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Completed 2 ChallengesExile009 wrote:


Actually, both India and China are already set to exceed their climate pledges (yes, they have climate change targets as well) - http://www.climatechangenews.com/2017/05/15/india-china-track-exceed-paris-climate-pledges/


I am personally talking about having everyone follow the same strict guidelines, not allowing China, India ect to get exemptions, and then set their own guidelines.

If the world (as we know it) is going to end, then the only solution I see is to create very strict guidelines, and then enforce them by any means necessary.

And Scrotie, your plans sounds great, but how do we force every other country to get on board? Having the USA (and a few others) do a good plan is nice, but everyone has to follow the plan, not just the USA.
Damn, messed up with quoting, sorry for repost...

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There are two completely separate things that you need to believe about "climate change" (funny how it's not "global warming" anymore, its like they try to be as generic as possible :)

1.) You need to believe that global warming is mostly caused by peoplekind and not a natural fluctuation (ice age/warm period).

2.) Then you need to believe that the proposed UN political solutions will actually help in any way and are not just a globalist socialist re-distribution scam.

Since I'm not a scientist, I give 1.) the benefit of the doubt and assume it's mostly true. But I get logically stuck at 2.)

If the danger was so real and imminent, then China and India (that's like 3 billion people combined) would not get such an easy deal. China would be treated for what it is: a developed country, like USA, and the second biggest world economy. India has a space program and a nuclear arms race, but at the same time they are "poor 3rd world" according to the UN and need help, funding, special treatment...

There would also be calls for programs that would try to limit the growth of populations in the 3rd world. But there is no such thing. So, I'm expected to believe that "global warmee is an imminent planetary catastrophe, but at the same time we need to bring 10.000.000.000 people into the 1st world middle class and give them laptops and cars... yeah, no.

I'm also expected to believe that we should ignore nuclear energy, with silly windmills and crappy solar panels being enough to power the gaming rigs for 10 billion people playing path of Exile 5 in 2100.

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Another point. The same leftists who believe in the Paris accord and global warming, also believe that populations in the West need to grow (with immigration): Influential Liberal advisers want Canadian population to triple by 2100

So people who believe in global warming, limiting & taxing carbon emissions, etc.. don't want to find an equilibrium to growth, but want the populations of the 1st world (= 1st world consumption) to increase. Yeah, call me skeptic...
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