ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP

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Anonymous1749704 wrote:

Why's it that I heard pretty much every news source, both left and right except Fox, were negative towards what Trump "achieved"?

The very same reason they were saying Trump had the same non-chances of winning as the Cubs did winning the World Series.

Anyone who believes the negative press about this, has been watching, reading and listening to fake news for so long that they can no longer tell the truth. If CNN said that Path of Exile was pure pay to win, and the only way a player could get could get past act 2 was to pay over $15,000 would you believe that too?

"NBC, CNN, ABC, all say Chris Wilson is really Elvis - so it must be true!"

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deathflower wrote:

Sure if you mean liberals don't have other objectiVES such as human rights and not letting North Korea dictator stay in power. That is mind boggling. EDIT

That must be why Obama pushed so hard to get KJU out of office...

That must be why Hillary and Obama spent so much effort cracking down on all the human rights violations like Yazidi women and children being captured, sold as sex slaves and leading lives so miserable that many of them chose to burn themselves alive rather than continue the horror.

The left cares no more about human rights than they do about the last eight digits of Pi - probably even less.

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DalaiLama wrote:

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deathflower wrote:

Sure if you mean liberals don't have other objectiVES such as human rights and not letting North Korea dictator stay in power. That is mind boggling. EDIT

That must be why Obama pushed so hard to get KJU out of office...

That must be why Hillary and Obama spent so much effort cracking down on all the human rights violations like Yazidi women and children being captured, sold as sex slaves and leading lives so miserable that many of them chose to burn themselves alive rather than continue the horror.

The left cares no more about human rights than they do about the last eight digits of Pi - probably even less.

Why would they be liberal if they don't? They are not. They are closer to corporate centralists. Why do people keep calling them left when they are not? Both of these parties are right - Democrats are center right, Republicans far right. Two right party fighting among themselves. Ever wonder why people don't vote? Because either way the Right always wins, since they are not really fighting at all. Only the illusion of it. Only By Republicans standards, the Democrats are left.

Hilarious right?

It is funny that in the last page or so we see one person saying Democrats & Republicans are both left of center, and someone else says Democrats & Republicans are both right of center.

I think people's desire for socialism on one side, and Freedom on the other side is really growing. It sure seems like the USA is going to split soon between people who want Freedom and people who want "a secure zoo" as canhaspants said.

Freedom isn't on the same axis as capitalist/socialism/communism.

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Khoranth wrote:

"a secure zoo" as anonymous said.

Did he really?

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deathflower wrote:

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DalaiLama wrote:

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deathflower wrote:

Sure if you mean liberals don't have other objectiVES such as human rights and not letting North Korea dictator stay in power. That is mind boggling. EDIT

That must be why Obama pushed so hard to get KJU out of office...

That must be why Hillary and Obama spent so much effort cracking down on all the human rights violations like Yazidi women and children being captured, sold as sex slaves and leading lives so miserable that many of them chose to burn themselves alive rather than continue the horror.

The left cares no more about human rights than they do about the last eight digits of Pi - probably even less.

Why would they be liberal if they don't? They are not. They are closer to corporate centralists. Why do people keep calling them left when they are not? Both of these parties are right - Democrats are center right, Republicans far right. Two right party fighting among themselves. Ever wonder why people don't vote? Because either way the Right always wins, since they are not really fighting at all. Only the illusion of it. Only By Republicans standards, the Democrats are left.

Hilarious right?

I imagine it depends on how one defines "left" and "right" as political terms. How do you define them?

I define "left" as "advocating inequality of opportunity favoring minority, untraditional and/or underperforming populations;" this is usually in pursuit of some form of equality of outcome. I define "right" as "advocating inequality of opportunity favoring majority, traditional and/or overperforming populations;" this is usually in pursuit of some method to predict future merit prior to actual performance a la Minority Report, such as deporting those with lower IQs.

By my definitions, prominent Democrats are, if not far left, certainly not center-left, while MAGA Republicans are generally center-right. Classical liberalism (and by extension anti-corporatist capitalism) would be dead-center, which is why I consider myself a centrist; socialism ("from each according to his ability, to each according to his contribution"), especially of the nationalistic variety, is generally to the right, while communism ("from each according to his ability, to each according to his need") is generally to the left.

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faerwin wrote:

Freedom isn't on the same axis as capitalist/socialism/communism.

You need to unpack this a little more. What does "freedom" mean to you?

When I think of freedom, I think of people not being forced by law to do things, instead doing whatever they voluntarily want to do. Because of that, what you're saying is, from my perspective, equivalent to "state power isn't on the same axis as capialism/socialism/communism;" of course, such a statement strikes me as absurd given how "capitalism" often has "laissez-faire" in front of it.

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Khoranth wrote:

"a secure zoo" as anonymous said.

Did he really?

Oops, sorry, got confused


And on the topic of freedom: I think part of the definition of freedom is that it is the opposite of security, as in having the freedom to fail.

If failure is not possible then freedom is a mirage.

Freedom is simply to not be told what to do.

In this case, most country experience freedom regardless of their political alignments. Notable exception is Russia, where talking/acting against the power in place is very dangerous, North Korea, where they are literally told what to do and how to think and most places where religion has power over people.

Economic models do not define freedom.

IE:

France - socialism - high level of freedom
Canada - capitalism - high level of freedom
USA - corporatism - high level of freedom (for the most part)
Cuba - communism - high level of freedom
China - communism - low level of freedom
Russia - capitalism - medium level of freedom
Most of middle east - capitalism - medium to low level of freedom