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Giving millions of dollars in goods to corrupt officials and telling them to hand it out with zero oversight is just inexplicable.
If the question was ever raised that naïveté should be a criminal offence, this would be an argument for it.
You won't get no glory on that side of the hole.
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Posted byUpandatemon Aug 22, 2017, 7:24:54 AM
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sounds like the moral is: dont live in Cambodia
Nope, life can be great here. Giving millions of dollars in goods to corrupt officials and telling them to hand it out with zero oversight is just inexplicable.
seems like it would be to hot
I dont see any any key!
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Posted byk1rageon Aug 22, 2017, 11:45:05 AM
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What sickens me is that the advertiser is intentionally and purposefully trying to use you as the viewer to create an emotional response and get you to donate. That manipulation always pissed me off quite a bit. Similar to what the OP did.
What OP did is called virtue signaling. More specifically, trying to display how much of a bastion for humanity they are. That type of stuff never works on me because I'm a cynic. Like for example, OP might be getting paid for hits to that website. I don't see how this is any different than someone showing up to link to a website that sells penile enhancement products.
Anyone looking to "cure" world hunger is only contributing to future human overpopulation problems. We're feeding people who can't sustain themselves, and are going to turn around and breed, just to create more mouths to feed in the future. We can't feed them all. Food prices are going to go up the bigger the demand for food gets, and even more poor people won't be able to eat. That's going to be a future reality. But congrats for anyone who thinks donating money to feed starving humans is actually doing anything to help matters. Just keep in mind when millions more are starting in 30-40 years, their 40 cents went to feed mouths that multiplied exponentially into starving humans.
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Posted byMrSmiley21on Aug 22, 2017, 11:23:14 PM
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To add up on above post, except food getting expensive, huge quantities of food are disposed of daily and wasted. Humans are wasteful with food, at least in first world countries. Wonder when there will be laws in motion to limit people in food spending (in a way that prevents those huge quantities getting thrown away while still viable for consumption).
Spreading salt since 2006 Last edited by Necromael on Aug 23, 2017, 2:51:41 AM
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Posted byNecromaelon Aug 23, 2017, 2:50:58 AM
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To add up on above post, except food getting expensive, huge quantities of food are disposed of daily and wasted. Humans are wasteful with food, at least in first world countries. Wonder when there will be laws in motion to limit people in food spending (in a way that prevents those huge quantities getting thrown away while still viable for consumption).
The problem isn't we don't have enough food. It has to do with poverty and inequity rather than shortages. We have more than enough food to feed the world. When you have huge unemployment rates and people being paid poorly, people are gonna starve.
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Posted bydeathfloweron Aug 23, 2017, 3:36:42 AM
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How can you be sure that your money is actually feeding the people you want to help? Eg. the situation in Yemen became so bad (malnutrition, cholera, etc), precisely because the region where the fighting is going on, is completely surrounded and blocaded by the Saudi "coalition" (the same Saudi that is sitting on UN's human rights commision, lol). There are sunni mercenaries in the south, a Saudi naval blocade in the west and al-Qaeda/ISIS controlled land in the east.
If these UN agencies could reliably deliver help, they would already do it, since they don't lack funding. So, maybe the children get a meal per day, maybe it's just a "feel good" scheme...
It is an app by the world food program and this is what they do:
http://www1.wfp.org/countries/yemen
The situation there is based on the rivalry between KSA (with U.S. support) and Iran. Neither side has a good reason to let children starve. No good propaganda.
Be sure ? You would have to watch them work, I guess, or check their bank accounts and transfers like with all sorts of donations.
From what I can tell, the world food program is reputable. Like any international organization that has to work in difficult nations, there are struggles and challenges. For the vast amount of aid they provide, the number of places they provide it and how long they have been doing it, they have a remarkably clean record. Not spotless, but extremely clean and that sort of thing takes a lot of conscious internal efforts to maintain.
There are places around the world where the difficulty in providing international aid comes from the local government, and charities have to work with the options they have, not the options they wish they had.
To me, they look like a worthy cause.
PoE Origins - Piety's story http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2081910
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Posted byDalaiLamaon Aug 23, 2017, 4:10:03 AM
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We can't feed them all. Food prices are going to go up the bigger the demand for food gets
Charity isn't an economy, so your usual laws of supply and demand don't function the same way. The costs of the food itself isn't the burden in a charity, it is the distribution -both in costs and the effort to successfully get it there.
While local self-sufficiency is the ideal outcome, changing that is a long term goal. Education and jobs are the long term solution. Education delays child bearing and gives people a better chance to provide for their future family. That education MUST be significantly focused on teaching skills the local nation needs. Jobs require both a minimal level of infrastructure and some long term stability.
Stability is a huge factor. There is plenty of money waiting to be invested. They are willing to take some risks, but not huge risks. If a country can achieve stability and looks stable for decades down the road, the investors will begin contributing.
They have Trillions to invest.
How do we get struggling countries to lower their levels of violence and achieve long term governmental stability?
That's the Trillion dollar question.
Letting people starve to death isn't the answer.
PoE Origins - Piety's story http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2081910
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Posted byDalaiLamaon Aug 23, 2017, 4:28:38 AM
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Not trying to be negative as the OP clearly has the best of intentions, but as an example of how this kind of stuff (especially when WFP is involved) can end up doing significantly more harm than good:
A decade or so ago here in Cambodia the WFP decided they were going to give out about $2,000,0000 worth of rice to people who are desperately poor, having what little income they can generate be sucked up by corrupt government agencies.
You get no prizes for guessing that the WFP chose those same government agencies to distribute the rice. It was later found that they repackaged it and sold it on for almost pure profit, meaning that the rich and powerful people got a bit richer and more powerful (thanks to your 40c per day) and the poor hungry people were left as poor and hungry as they were to begin with.
The moral of the story; If people are poor and hungry because someone is stealing all their shit, giving them more shit isn't going to help, it's just going to make the people who are stealing from them even stronger.
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Edit: Adding link in case anyone doubts the story (you'll note that they said the $2mill is the bit of theft they found out about, but that it was probably also happening long before then): http://www.phnompenhpost.com/national/government-2-million-rice-fraud
I don't doubt the story at all. There are examples in other countries (not necessarily WFP) where local war lords essentially took control of entire shiploads of food as they were being unloaded at port.
PoE Origins - Piety's story http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2081910
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Posted byDalaiLamaon Aug 23, 2017, 4:33:13 AM
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We can't feed them all. Food prices are going to go up the bigger the demand for food gets
Charity isn't an economy, so your usual laws of supply and demand don't function the same way. The costs of the food itself isn't the burden in a charity, it is the distribution -both in costs and the effort to successfully get it there.
Usually it is more than that. Charity has its own operating cost. Only part of the money you donate goes to the recipients.
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How do we get struggling countries to lower their levels of violence and achieve long term governmental stability?
That's the Trillion dollar question.
Letting people starve to death isn't the answer.
You don't. Letting people starve to death isn't the answer but the result. Investors primary motive is to earn money, precisely why they should keep away from these high risks ventures.
Self-sufficiency doesn't solve the problems. There are African countries that exports vast amount of Food and at the same time Import its food supply. Weird but true.
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Posted bydeathfloweron Aug 23, 2017, 5:40:58 AM
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Not trying to be negative as the OP clearly has the best of intentions, but as an example of how this kind of stuff (especially when WFP is involved) can end up doing significantly more harm than good:
A decade or so ago here in Cambodia the WFP decided they were going to give out about $2,000,0000 worth of rice to people who are desperately poor, having what little income they can generate be sucked up by corrupt government agencies.
You get no prizes for guessing that the WFP chose those same government agencies to distribute the rice. It was later found that they repackaged it and sold it on for almost pure profit, meaning that the rich and powerful people got a bit richer and more powerful (thanks to your 40c per day) and the poor hungry people were left as poor and hungry as they were to begin with.
The moral of the story; If people are poor and hungry because someone is stealing all their shit, giving them more shit isn't going to help, it's just going to make the people who are stealing from them even stronger.
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Edit: Adding link in case anyone doubts the story (you'll note that they said the $2mill is the bit of theft they found out about, but that it was probably also happening long before then): http://www.phnompenhpost.com/national/government-2-million-rice-fraud
Moral of story is no good deed goes unpunished.
Git R Dun!
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Posted byAim_Deepon Aug 23, 2017, 6:04:08 AM
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