Mathil's death in the Lab

I think it's pretty shitty that Invasion bosses can spawn in that tiny room. Even if he didn't insta-gib from reflect, would he really have been able to outplay 4+ invasion bosses in that tiny space? With no movement skill? And no room to use a movement skill even if wands had one?

I had invasion bosses in the last room of my cruel lab, and I just logged out and tried again an hour later. Not worth the risk, IMO.

Streamers seem to disregard damage reflection pretty often.

They stack damage, don't bother looking at what they're fighting, forget that leech works after reflected damage is taken, think that a Lion's Roar flask helps them, don't check map-mods and fire blindly off-screen.

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MeWhenum wrote:

-I really wish they could come up with a better way to limit clear speed other than reflect. *cough*LESS PLAYER DAMAGE*cough*

I've often thought this would be a good way to reduce the complaints about damage reflection.
I've heard there are other issues that prevent this, but to my mind the main issue is reining in the high-end builds without screwing over the unoptimised ones.

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poepoe091 wrote:

I think it's pretty shitty that Invasion bosses can spawn in that tiny room.

Oh definitely.
I think the Izaro arenas should at least be in the same zone as the previous section of the Labyrinth so players can at least know what to expect and also so that fewer enemies spawn in the one room.

This is the way GGG would like you to play the game.

I think this video was very indicative of "difficulty" in this game - faceroll everything, then instagib to some random bullshit which in 90% you had no chance of avoiding (unless you play in full paranoid mode 24/7) so the game could pretend to be challenging.

lol people in this thread that say this has happened to him because he is a softcore player and he should've known better are so full of shit.

This death was definitely on Mathil's side doing things badly. If you choose to use 6L on normal difficulty for high dmg, you should be already ok with this to happen or play a build that doesn't shoot out of screen / don't attack them out of screen.

If he was on 3L/4L not pimping up his dmg to sky high then he would survive.

5s lags which server can do sometimes and doesn't allow you to react since you are frozen is really the thing you can't do much about. I think GGG in this case should kill the connection after 1.5s straight.

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Reflect is just a shit mechanic in any game imo. It's not even that it's that bad - I've only found one skill that I truly can't handle reflect with (storm call). It's mostly that it just feels bad to die to it. There are plenty of deaths in the game that feel deserved - I stand under Izaro, I get swarmed in a breach, etc. But even when I die to reflect because of laziness, inattention, whatever it is, I never feel like I made a mistake (even if I did).

This. Reflect is just lame af.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOUJXuDxuls&t=

he explains everything here.
to people saying he has no defenses blah blah you legit do not know what you're talking about. watch this video and tell me you could have avoided that any different than playing the game up until that point (including facing off vs the same mobs previously with no issue).

go on. do it.

man the audacity of some people. everybody is an elitist prick that can do everything better while keyboard warrioring on the forums. LOL

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xMustard wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOUJXuDxuls&t=

he explains everything here.
to people saying he has no defenses blah blah you legit do not know what you're talking about. watch this video and tell me you could have avoided that any different than playing the game up until that point (including facing off vs the same mobs previously with no issue).

go on. do it.

man the audacity of some people. everybody is an elitist prick that can do everything better while keyboard warrioring on the forums. LOL

This. Sadly, most games have these "pseudo-pro" elitists who have no idea what they are talking about.

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xMustard wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOUJXuDxuls&t=

he explains everything here.

Just watched it. He doesnt seem to understand his mistake. Making a (self attack) KB wander without (almost) reflect immunity is questionable even without that invasion boss. With it its suicidal. You would have to be insanely careful to not make rip-or-not an RNG gamble.
Its not about playing skill. The game is constructed in such a whacky manner that some builds simply dont work properly for this setting in HC. KB is "notorious" for the "random" number of hits you can get vs a mob. So yes you can be ok 100 times and then RIP to that boss. Or a twinned/tailed rare reflect in a corner.


Edit: typo