Transracial

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Raycheetah wrote:

drama queens. =9[.]9=

You just assumed their gender, how do you know they aren't drama kings?

That was worthy of a /slowclap, +1.

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solwitch wrote:

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sarahaustin wrote:

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solwitch wrote:

Well I'm just going to tell it like it is...

Doctors sometimes have to give surgery to infants who are born with premature genitalia. It's a 50/50 if they get it right. Majority of the time they get it wrong. As the child grows up and the doctor made a mistake this individual will most likely feel trapped. This is were transgender surgery becomes completely normal.

A person can not just wake up one morning and say he/she decides to be the opposite sex. Feeling something and making a choice are completely different. Something is terribly wrong if a person changes their sex based on the following:

1. Upbringing
2. Choice
3. Abuse

It's completely normal to change your sex for following reasons:

1. Malpractice
2. Function/born
3. Feeling

You can't be transgender and be gay, period. If you self identify as a woman and like men then naturally you are not gay but part of the LGBT community. If I was transgender and you called me gay I would be offended.

Now my biggest issue are drag queens. A drag queen is a male impersonating a female. Some of these drag queens go a bit far to fit the role of looking like a female by augmenting their breast. Then they call themselves transgender, that's fine but once you augment yourself in my book you're now a lady, therefore you're no longer a drag queen.

So if you feel like your a woman trapped in a male body, then I have respect for you and will support you. I won't support half ass transgenders, they are the reason many legitimate transgender people are having a rough time. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Um, you can be trans and gay or bi. Im bi. Sexuality and gender are 2 different things.

Btw, drag queens are not trans, drag is about the impersonation, not about becoming the other gender. Some drag queens can be trans and it helps them be in that "role" of the gender they really should be and they can transition easier.

Drag queen:

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Trans woman:

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There are plenty of trans people who are LG or B. I take it you dont know what youre talking about. Btw, the surgery on kids with alternate genitalia has been banned in Portugal already. I hope it happens everywhere.

You can not be trans and gay however I agree you can be bi...

As for your second part, let me be adamant their are drag queens who are taking themselves seriously as trans that was the logic behind the text.

cant be gay? Why? Lol. You make no sense.[/quote]

Because if you identify as a woman therefore you are woman, thus you can't be gay... Just bi. Lmao ^.^ it makes perfect sense

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solwitch wrote:

Because if you identify as a woman therefore you are woman, thus you can't be gay... Just bi. Lmao ^.^ it makes perfect sense

So... women can't be gay, or only trans women cannot be gay?

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BodyHammer01 wrote:

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solwitch wrote:

Because if you identify as a woman therefore you are woman, thus you can't be gay... Just bi. Lmao ^.^ it makes perfect sense

So... women can't be gay, or only trans women cannot be gay?

Lmao let me clear it up men who are trans cannot be considered gay. Vice versa... A female trans can not be a lesbian.

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鬼殺し wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_DVHUEjnuU

"I may not be ginger here...but I'm ginger...here."

mah ginga

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sarahaustin wrote:

Transracial isnt a thing and you know it.

Get out with your transracist remarks.

Funniest thing about Austin saying this is that bi used to be hated with a passion by the homosexual community before LGBTPAIOMGWTFBBQ++ became a thing because it didnt fit their arguments about choice. They said the exact same shit. Stop oppressing me, bigot!

#RedIsBeautiful #FightTransRacialErasure #GingerFluid

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鬼殺し wrote:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/12/comparison-transgender-people-rachel-dolezal

"The fundamental difference between Dolezal’s actions and trans people’s is that her decision to identify as black was an active choice, whereas transgender people’s decision to transition is almost always involuntary. Transitioning is the product of a fundamental aspect of our humanity – gender – being foisted upon us over and over again from the time of our birth in a manner inconsistent with our own experience of our genders. Doctors don’t announce our race or color when we are born; they announce our gender. People who are alienated from their presumed gender and define themselves according to another gender have existed since earliest recorded history; race is a medieval European invention. Thus, Dolezal identified as black, but I am a woman, and other trans people are the gender they feel themselves to be."

If you disagree with that sentiment, you will never understand the difference. And you're free to disagree with it, and to never understand the difference between transracial and transender.

Holy fuck is this wrong.

1. Technical being and identity are not the same thing; identification requires action of a consciousness, and therefore is a voluntary choice. For example, consider the Dave Chappelle skit character​ of the blind black white supremacist; his being is a man with brown skin, but his identity is white. How we define ourselves — indeed, if we define ourselves at all — is under our own volition.

2. The essence of transitioning is the adoption of an identity that is at least partially in conflict with technical being. I say "partly" because I understand that physiological differences affecting hormone balance occur naturally (albeit infrequently) and can create a being of XX with substantial masculine traits, or XY with substantial feminine traits — that is, folks naturally in an androgynous gray area. But if one's being fully matches one's identity, that does not describe transitioning, but instead transitioned. The essence of transition is the rejection of the present an the adoption of a hope-based identity.

And, by the way, I'm not so narrow-mindded as to cynically label the not-yet-true as false or wrong; it is hope, desire, etc, without which change could not occur. But all the hope in the world does not make one's dream a present reality.

3. All volitional behavior is subject to ethical scrutiny, and should be providing such scrutiny does not coerce or defraud. On the former point, your quote concedes the point; it readily admits that legal minors have expectations of identity "foisted upon" them from an early age — although, presumably, the author means masculine traits were encouraged in her, which seems to contradict her point regarding lack of choice, as if she could not have accepted a male identity regardless of the harm such acceptance may have brought, then of what threat was it? If hers was not a choice, how could it have been the right one?

The essence of identity politics is to circumvent reasoned debate about moral values by implying a determinism that renders such discussion moot. It is intellectual cowardice and sophistry, used in lieu of an argument that addresses new values contrary to previous norms. No, transitioning woman, you were emphatically not "born that way," unless by "that way" you mean not born a woman but — to give benefit of the doubt — born into an androgynous limbo that doesn't feel feminine enough to you, and that you voluntarily seek to escape from, through the (glorious) artifice of modern medical procedures.

4. There is a way to defend the choice to transition from one gender identity to another — and I am inclined to believe such choices are worth defending. But I don't know how that will ever be achieved so long as political correctness dictates that we ignore that there is any choice to be made at all. Our current culture, particularly on the left, is dangerously cult-like in its unwillingness to actually argue the issues, perhaps particularly when it inevitability begins to cannibalize itself as we see here.

So ask yourself: who benefits when we are conditioned to see "correct" behavior not as voluntary action subject to ethical scrutiny, but as a forced and thoroughly necessary correction to a malicious status quo?

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In conclusion, Dolezal’s transracialism and transgenderism are different situations but not so drastically so that the examination of choice applies only to the former and not the latter.