Donald Trump and US politics

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deathflower wrote:
Not when you see abandoned babies in a rubbish chute. I imply what I imply. You are forcing people to abandon babies rather than humanely kill them. We deal with solutions not squabble.

If you live in the US, then there is Safe Haven for mothers with unwanted newborns to drop them off at hospitals, medical facilities, fire stations, police stations, churches, and more, both anonymously and without criminal charges for abandonment. So you'd rather kill babies than give them a chance at life? Tell that to the thousands of failed abortion attempt survivors next time and see how well that goes over with them.
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cipher_nemo wrote:
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deathflower wrote:
Not when you see abandoned babies in a rubbish chute. I imply what I imply. You are forcing people to abandon babies rather than humanely kill them. We deal with solutions not squabble.

If you live in the US, then there is Safe Haven for mothers with unwanted newborns to drop them off at hospitals, medical facilities, fire stations, police stations, churches, and more, both anonymously and without criminal charges for abandonment. So you'd rather kill babies than give them a chance at life? Tell that to the thousands of failed abortion attempt survivors next time and see how well that goes over with them.


I would ask them how does it feel to be the lucky few thousands that survive out of the few millions that didn't.
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cipher_nemo wrote:
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deathflower wrote:
Not when you see abandoned babies in a rubbish chute. I imply what I imply. You are forcing people to abandon babies rather than humanely kill them. We deal with solutions not squabble.

If you live in the US, then there is Safe Haven for mothers with unwanted newborns to drop them off at hospitals, medical facilities, fire stations, police stations, churches, and more, both anonymously and without criminal charges for abandonment. So you'd rather kill babies than give them a chance at life? Tell that to the thousands of failed abortion attempt survivors next time and see how well that goes over with them.


They dont get killed when a woman has an abortion. By your logic, a masturbating man commits genocide.
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deathflower wrote:

Not when you see abandoned babies in a rubbish chute. I imply what I imply. You are forcing people to abandon babies rather than humanely kill them. We deal with solutions not squabble.


We see abandoned babies where abortion is legal and free, where having a baby at a hospital is free, where giving it up for adoption is free (and can even be done at the hospital right after birth). We see abandoned babies in places where it's legal for parents to sell their children, where individuals, charities, organizations offer $1000's for infants, where the government pays mothers over $600 per month per child and offers 1 year maternity leave at 100% of salary.

This is primarily a mental health, drugs, illegal/on the run, or sex trade/human trafficking issue.

And I'm fucking astonished that within 30 minutes of my prior post people are back to attacking each other with fringe examples or trying to once again frame it as a man vs woman issue (not directed at deathflower).

Look, if people want to be stupid, fine, I can be stupid. Here comes the stupid:
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Want to know what's worse than abandoned babies in rubbish chute? "Aborted" babies, still alive and strong enough to cry, but left to starve in a bucket on the hospital floor or in a specimen pan with a towel over it. Sometimes they'll put a lid on the bucket to suffocate it faster! SO HUMANE oh my.

Or mutilated chemically burned babies. Instillation abortions (injection of caustic solution into the amniotic sac) take 12+ hours to kill the baby, during which its lungs and skin is burned. Sometimes it doesn't die (google Gianna Jessen, survivor of an instillation abortion at 30 weeks, given Cerebral Palsy as a result of the failed abortion). There are numerous examples, where survivors are blind or suffer other conditions.

Sometimes the baby is born viable but chopped up and harvested because the doctors are powerless to stop the abortion. Spend some time talking to nurses and doctors or reading. Neither side has a monopoly on terrible stories.

Of course, no one pro abortion supports this stuff. It's just as stupid to use in an argument as abandoned garbage chute babies.

FYI, I'm pro abortion. Like the richest 1% who say there's too many people around and selfishly want more resources for themselves, I'm fine promoting abortion. It's pragmatic.

If resources were unlimited my preference would be to make abortion illegal after any period where technology allows the baby to survive out of the womb, and have early birth/adoption programs replace abortion after that date, fully funded (only exception to have legal abortion passed that date is to save the mothers life). But with limited resources (huge medical wait times in Canada for example), and limited tax dollars to go around, combined with environmental and sustainability concerns, I support abortion up to age 100. Better be nice to your parents.
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Last edited by Vhlad#6794 on Feb 10, 2017, 10:46:27 PM
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Vhlad wrote:
Why do people try to make the abortion issue so binary and grandstand over non issues/ fake arguments?

Pretty much everyone agrees that abortion is fine up until a certain development threshold. Arguing about where to draw the line or asking for more data on fetal brain development is fine. But ya'll waste effort arguing about the stuff that the media has trained you to argue about, with one side referring to literal babies being murdered and another side referring to a dime sized glob of goo. And then somehow it turns into a man vs woman thing.

Stop being so easily manipulated. The left vs. right rhetoric here is a distraction and a fake issue to divide voters.

This is not a fight between ultra religious never abort nutbags vs. abort at 9 months because its my body nutbags, nor is it an issue between men and women.

All this fringe vs fringe fighting is fucking retarded hysteria and it's absolutely tragic to see people so readily place themselves into one of two mostly identical political parties due to stupid/irrelevant issues taken to extreme hyperbole like abortion.

We don't have a choice on the real issues so they drum up these social/cultural fights between extreme fringes that are irrelevant to everyone else, but somehow it works and even causes people to rabidly attack/denounce the "opposing" political party. It's ridiculous.
I pretty much agreed with this earlier; I just happened to set the "certain development threshold" at second trimester. I've also stated earlier in this thread that I'm a (George) Carlinist where partisan politics are concerned.

By the way, when a good post gets ignored it's usually quicky; the reply to the previous troll is being written as you're typing out your own post.
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Last edited by ScrotieMcB#2697 on Feb 10, 2017, 10:10:10 PM
I right wing as a mofo but have no issue on abortion. I think this is a non-issue in current times too. no chance any court would overturn
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Yeah it sorta became a non issue when they invented that pill.
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deathflower wrote:
You are forcing people to abandon babies rather than humanely kill them. We deal with solutions not squabble.

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The problem has to be fought before the conception phase, not after. Educate people, introduce conservative values back into the society. But this will be hard, because according to the progressive left, women should be little more than prostitutes today. Be a slut, sleep with as many men as possible, from 14 years on... the state offers so many legal and practical ways out of your mistakes, who cares, right.

The popular culture, the media, the politicians, everyone is telling women to be sluts. That that's modern, liberating and "empowering". lol, more free porn for us men...

Congratulations, ladies! You and this gross foreign guy are BOTH feminists!
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Last edited by Patrick_GGG#0000 on Feb 11, 2017, 1:22:20 PM
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morbo wrote:
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deathflower wrote:
You are forcing people to abandon babies rather than humanely kill them. We deal with solutions not squabble.

We could also humanely kill the woman, you know, fix the source problem - no irresponsible women, no mass killing of unborn babies.

The problem has to be fought before the conception phase, not after. Educate people, introduce conservative values back into the society. But this will be hard, because according to the progressive left, women should be little more than prostitutes today. Be a slut, sleep with as many men as possible, from 14 years on... the state offers so many legal and practical ways out of your mistakes, who cares, right.

The popular culture, the media, the politicians, everyone is telling women to be sluts. That that's modern, liberating and "empowering". lol, more free porn for us men...

Congratulations, ladies! You and this gross foreign guy are BOTH feminists!


If you don't want any future generations. Republicans are more likely to get breed out before that happens.

BTW: I am a guy.
Here's an example how pathetic or bought out are some institutions in USA (same for EU & UN):

CIA honors Saudi Crown Prince for efforts against terrorism

Give a medal to the biggest sponsors of radical islamism, for "fighting radical islamism"... -_-

Then again, KSA, this medieval state where women are being stoned for adultery and people's limbs are cut off, is (was) presiding at UN human rights council. Complete travesty and proof that money can buy everything.
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