Donald Trump and US politics

Yeah, it was pretty tough at times and still it was great. Now, people without a single real problem in their life are depressed and get all out of sorts about the silliest stuff.

Fucking surreal.

Makes me understand why the wealthiest Brits send their kids to boarding schools with semi-military discipline. If you don't learn to deal with tough situations, you become incapable of dealing with anything.

edit to your edit: I was in seventh or eighth grade when there was this kid in the neighbordhood who was a nasty not-so-little shit and loved to terrorize smaller kids. He was a few years older than me, and a head taller. So, one day he was particularly nasty to me, I don't remember the details, and I didn't know what to do - he was enormous compared to me. So I went home, intending to call my dad to deal with him. My dad listened to me and asked me, "And what happens when I'm not there to deal with him tomorrow? Or the day after that?".

So I went back outside and started calling for him. He had went home because he was expecting me to call someone, so sees me alone and comes outside, a surprised look on his face. He said something, I said something back and punched him. He was prepared and blocked it. Strangely enough, he didn't hit me back and never disrespected me again afterwards.

Lessons, lessons.
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Last edited by Bars#2689 on Feb 8, 2017, 7:22:42 AM
^reminiscing tales eh?

I got dropkicked in the back by a fellow in my neighborhood at the age of 14 i think it was while my dad was watching.

My dad's response to the situation?

"shrug, you probably deserved it"

Two days later, the guy had a broken finger and never fucked with me again. Smashed my skateboard right into him when he tried to kick me while i was riding it.
I don't do violence, but i am happy to respond to people in kind and i'm a believer of karma.

Pretty sure the guy mellowed out and grew up a bit from those chain of events.

Peace,

-Boem-
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Something I find hilarious is these snowflakes don't have a clue in the world what "Fascism" is. And by calling people like Milo Yiannopolous "Fascists", all they're doing in reality is innoculating people to the term. Fascism couldn't even work in the USA. Values like freedom of speech, expression, press, etc are adversarial to Fascism. They'd have to completely get rid of the constitution, and the side that's on the biggest offense against the constitution are the same ones calling everyone who doesn't agree with them "Fascist".
Last edited by MrSmiley21#1051 on Feb 8, 2017, 7:41:34 AM
@Boem: the guy either mellowed out or learned the value of weapons and bought one himself :P

@Smiley: from what I've seen about the whole Berkley fiasco, some guys dressed in black from head to toes behaved in a violent manner, hit people, intimidated other people from having a peaceful gathering and listening to someone talk, threw rocks and burned stuff.

I've grown up in a former authoritarian state, so I've learned to look at what people do, not what they say.

Here in my country, you could go to jail for telling a political joke, it was ruled by a small elite with a well-organized and extensive police and secret service network which controlled and monitored everything, and you know how it was called? People's Democratic Republic of Bulgaria. City neighborhoods were called Freedom, Justice, Hope, Friendship. Every fucking thing was named after these great ideals, and we were all anti-fascists too, by the way.

What's happening in the US has a distinct hint of deja vu.
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I was gonna ask if anyone here cared to defend the nomination of Betsy DeVos, but then I saw a bunch of people recommending that we make bullying harder to punish for the sake of "toughening people up", and given that I can't really imagine that I'm likely to find too many people with an earnest interest in and understanding of education. Y'all do realize that bullying correlates to serious long-term mental health problems in both the victim and the perpetrator, right? That article (a peer-reviewed paper) links to a great many other peer-reviewed papers, documenting:

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Since then, it has been repeatedly reported that being a victim of bullying increases the risk of adverse outcomes, including physical health problems,3 behavior and emotional problems and depression,4 psychotic symptoms,5 and poor school achievement.6 Furthermore, being bullied is associated with an increased risk of suicide ideation and suicide attempts,7 with some evidence that those who are both victims and bullies (hereafter referred to as bullies/victims)8 are at higher risk for suicidality.9 In contrast, the major adverse outcome of being a bully in childhood has been reported to be offending.10,11 However, bullying is still commonly viewed as just a harmless rite of passage or an inevitable part of growing up.12


Emphasis mine.
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Budget_player_cadet, since you're such a staunch opponent of bullying, I'd love to hear your comments on that:

Antifa Peppersprays Woman During interview UC Berkeley Milo riot

UC Berkeley Riots

UC Berkeley violence

Also, apart from Mr. Smiley, who is indeed a bit extreme in his views, I would love to see where anyone else has said bullying should be made harder to punish - since you spoke in the plural.
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Last edited by Bars#2689 on Feb 8, 2017, 8:05:11 AM
Thought of it. Do your stuff. Not worth it.
The Sirus fight is a disgrace.
Last edited by ghamadvar#7236 on Feb 8, 2017, 8:10:32 AM
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Bars wrote:
Budget_player_cadet, since you're such a staunch opponent of bullying, I'd love to hear your comments on that:

Antifa Peppersprays Woman During interview UC Berkeley Milo riot

UC Berkeley Riots

UC Berkeley violence


It's wrong. Pure and simple. When an organization invites someone to speak on their private property, they should very well have the right to speak. The heckler's veto is already bad enough, but when it turns into a riot, clearly a line has been crossed that should not be crossed. And while there are reasonable consequences for free speech, mob justice and getting attacked by violent protesters are not among them, even if you are a fucking terrible person. Not sure what it has to do with bullying, though.

So basically, same thing as with Richard Spencer getting punched in the face: it was unreservedly wrong (plus: counterproductive). Really couldn't have happened to a nicer guy, but absolutely wrong.
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Last edited by Budget_player_cadet#3296 on Feb 8, 2017, 8:10:40 AM
All right, straight and to the point. Seems we have the same opinion about that. What it has to do with bullying - a significant portion of the democrat supporters in the US are using bully tactics, including the UC Berkley protesters. Verbal and physical aggression, shaming, ridicule.
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I wish someone had taught me (and others) how to stand up to bullying when I was a kid. If you learn to fight back against cowardly oppressors in childhood, there may be less of them to contend with later on in life.

Speaking of which, it looks like the "AntiFa" movement has some ideas of its own about the usefulness of bullying:

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The “Knights for Socialism” group at the University of Central Florida (UCF) held a workshop Sunday to teach left-wing students how to “BASH THE FASH” with a “Leftist Fight Club” open to everyone but Republicans.


http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=8741

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