Donald Trump and US politics

Amen to that, I've never seen so much racial tension in my entire life.

Wow this topic is basically /r/The_Donald except the conservatives here don't feel the need to call liberals "cucks" at every sentence turn.

Quite the hive-mind of "everything Donald Trump is doing is RIGHT"...

I would venture to say 80% of the U.S. doesn't 100% agree nor disagree with Trump. I know i'm in that bucket. I also didn't 100% agree with or disagree with Obama.

The biggest problem I've ever had with trump is that he divides people to win. Whether it be for the election or in his current office.

I actually really liked his 100 day plan (expect the whole wall waste of money). Term limits, etc were awesome ideas as were some others.

The far left and far right are equally guilty in the current state of racial and partisan tension. If people (and especially the news) could stop referring to people as fascists, cucks, libtards, nazis... our country could make a huge step forward in bridging the current political and racial divides that are plaguing us right now.

I hate the news. I hate /r/politics left leaning bullshit. I hate /r/The_donald's right leaning bullshit... and every news site/news station that propagates either opinion as fact.

I'm sick of it. I have to go to the BBC to get news about my country because they are the only one that state the facts and let me make my own opinions.

One day the average, middle-american will be accurately represented in government. I don't know when but hopefully one day. As far as i'm concerned, the "MAGA OMG DJT IS AWESOME IN EVERYTHING" is just as bad as the "NOTMYPRESIDENT" idiots.

There is no way to convince the 10% of extreme left people that DJT is good at all. Simply none. They can't be reasoned with. Similarly a LOT of super pro MAGA people cannot be shown examples of Trump's mishaps.

People are targeting the man and not the issues he is attempting to address. If we don't know what he's doing without shitty bias, then everything is a finger pointing game with no accountability.

Seriously you can't tell me that crazy shit like Trump literally walking out of cross-country political meetings is a good thing. You can't tell me that hanging up on the Australian president is a good thing. [EDIT: Fake news again...the call was scheduled for an hour but "abruptly ended at 25 min"] Similarly you can't tell me that Trump doesn't have good intentions with the whole "Wall" thing...I know what he's trying to do and I respect him for it...but it's foolish and the investment does not justify his "feelings".

I'm sick of this hive-mind crap on both sides.

CNN being fake news again.

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I'm sick of this hive-mind crap on both sides.

I think everyone here would agree with me, I do not agree with every Trump's politics or decisions. I just think he was the better candidate. and btw, getting alternative sources of info and differents opinions to base my ideas away from the MSM is pretty far from being part of a hive-mind set.


edit: Milo is Bae would kiss him 10/10

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Xavderion wrote:

CNN being fake news again.

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LOL. You know the liberal media has its panties in a bunch when an openly gay person dares to oppose their left-wing politics. Milo has been sticking it to them and the LGBTs for some time now. His latest endeavor has them in full retard mode.

EDIT: I love what he said in a CNN interview... "By associated me with people who have odious and disgusting opinions, is suggest that I somehow, in some way, tacitly enable these people. I don't, I don't have unsavory opinions about skin color. Fuck you.". In other words he called out CNN on the fake news.

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I would venture to say 80% of the U.S. doesn't 100% agree nor disagree with Trump. I know i'm in that bucket. I also didn't 100% agree with or disagree with Obama.

Well, about 35% identify as conservative, 25% as liberal, and 40% identify as moderate. Liberals have actually been gaining in recent years; previous numbers were lower. (Source)

I'd answer conservative — barely, as I'm more center-right. I think Trump and other Republicans are wrong on military use of torture, using US troops to create safe zones in Syria (Saudi troops, good idea), suggesting laws targeting sanctuary cities (although I like his immigration policy in general), military use of torture, criminalization of marijuana, reluctance in auditing the Federal Reserve, and military use of torture. I have nuanced opinions, and foresee probable future disagreement, regarding Saudi Arabia not being included in the temporary immigration ban, net neutrality, and the prosecution of Hillary Clinton. Did I mention I'm against military use of torture? Because I'm against it.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

I'd answer conservative — barely, as I'm more center-right.

And that's the sad part. People like you always get drowned out by the extremes. You have CNN, MSNBC, and others creating fake news to attack the right, while Fox, Breitbart, and others doing knee-jerk reactions to attack the left on insignificant issues. It's more divisive than ever in politics. And hence people like you, probably the silent majority, get drowned out in all of the drama. We need more people like you, and we certainly should encourage you to be more vocal, even if we're all going to have slightly different opinions at times.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

I think Trump and other Republicans are wrong on military use of torture, using US troops to create safe zones in Syria (Saudi troops, good idea), suggesting laws targeting sanctuary cities (although I like his immigration policy in general), military use of torture, criminalization of marijuana, reluctance in auditing the Federal Reserve, and military use of torture. I have nuanced opinions, and foresee probable future disagreement, regarding Saudi Arabia not being included in the temporary immigration ban, net neutrality, and the prosecution of Hillary Clinton. Did I mention I'm against military use of torture? Because I'm against it.

Yup, it's hard to classify people. The media and US politics in general wants to put you in one of two groups. Then it wants to label the extreme, such as the alt-right or socialists. But moderates get the shaft.

I'm probably more right leaning than you. But I have some opposing views that the GOP doesn't like. For example, I support net neutrality, but not in the ways the liberals want to support it, and I don't want to tear it all down like the conservatives want to do.

Unlike you, I believe waterboarding is fine, or any "torture" that doesn't result in any physical or mental scars later. I think the term "torture" has been abused, because we can have verbal and physiological torture over a long period that does leave near-permanent mental scars, but it's not classified as "torture". Some of what was done at Guantanamo Bay that's not classified as torture, is actually far worse and more permanent than something weak in comparison such as waterboarding.

And unlike the Republicans in power now, this blanket immigration ban is something I don't agree with. Its implementation was a train wreck. The left harps on it calling it incorrectly a Muslim ban, while the right harps about it required for security. Both reasons are completely wrong. It's a waste of time, along with all of the panic knee-jerk responses from the left. It does nothing, accomplished nothing, improves nothing. If you really want to tighten security, you increase intelligence and screening of immigrants from select countries, not just outright ban them. Notify of extended processing and wait times, but not a "ban".

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cipher_nemo wrote:

Yup, it's hard to classify people. The media and US politics in general wants to put you in one of two groups. Then it wants to label the extreme, such as the alt-right or socialists. But moderates get the shaft.

yeah I agree on that the media tend to polarize every discussion ever. for them right now there are the socialists (liberal progressive) and the Alt-right Nazi....



I see myself as a progressive right wing capitalist.

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cipher_nemo wrote:

And unlike the Republicans in power now, this blanket immigration ban is something I don't agree with. Its implementation was a train wreck. The left harps on it calling it incorrectly a Muslim ban, while the right harps about it required for security. Both reasons are completely wrong. It's a waste of time, along with all of the panic knee-jerk responses from the left. It does nothing, accomplished nothing, improves nothing. If you really want to tighten security, you increase intelligence and screening of immigrants from select countries, not just outright ban them. Notify of extended processing and wait times, but not a "ban".

I think the "Purpose" section of that executive order is full of shit. However, the actual substance of it is sensible; audit the Obamafied INS/ICE, temporary ban while audit is being conducted. If it was permanent (not 90 days) I'd be inclined to agree with you; suspending those programs does little for security. Maybe I should have put it in my watch list, in case they try to make it permanent.