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eragon1111 wrote:
Without instant leech, more than half of current t1 builds would be simply DEAD. Im all for VP removal from the game and leaving only "on hit" instant leech options.

Game would be way easier to balance.


You fail to understand that with a big pool like that of es, regen is much better and much more consistent than any vaal pact build you can come up with.

Remove zealots oath now?
Buff vaal pact?

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inuke wrote:
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eragon1111 wrote:
Without instant leech, more than half of current t1 builds would be simply DEAD. Im all for VP removal from the game and leaving only "on hit" instant leech options.

Game would be way easier to balance.


You fail to understand that with a big pool like that of es, regen is much better and much more consistent than any vaal pact build you can come up with.

this is simply false. we are talking about regen, not es recharge, right ?

getting something like 20% regen isnt trivial at all and requires a lot of investment

and at 12k es that will only give you 2.4k per SECOND with ZO

and obviously it will take you 5 seconds to regen all of it if, again, you are taking constant damage and recharge never triggers

there is simply no comparison between regen and instant leech. none. non-instant leech, however, is basically conditional regen.
"Technically, ES is worse than life..."

This is their view. Balance is doomed.
Sometimes, just sometimes, you should really consider adapting to the world, instead of demanding that the world adapts to you.
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grepman wrote:
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1)instant leech is essentially a form of defense. its too good for both es and life
if you think removing instant leech = removing leech, then you see the INSTANT leech is a problem, because by design most builds dont have instant leech. some build that is better off having regular leech than instant leech aside from slayer is ____. lets fill in the blank here. can we ? no ? then its too fucking good

2)life doesnt really need a buff, it needs more places in the tree where you can take life, and dissolve the dumb scion life wheel. on the other hand, es needs a definite NERF with all values through the roof on everything.

if you bring life up to the level of ES it will be ridiculously strong.


and I say it as someone who primarily plays life builds.


ES doesnt need a nerf you break all sorts of ES builds that dont use 900es chests. Like LL, let alone volls, etc.

Life just needs to have fatter % to keep up. I'd settlle for you could get 12,500 life which is still half opies 25K ES, by taking 38 life nodes like he takes 38 ES nodes. Assuming T1 life on all gear.

Would still be half ES but we have flasks so thats fair.
Git R Dun!
Last edited by Aim_Deep on Jan 14, 2017, 4:56:11 AM
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Phrazz wrote:
"Technically, ES is worse than life..."

This is their view. Balance is doomed.


Really they said that? I wont play life again until VP moved by life and life buffed. It's so lopsided it's comical.
Git R Dun!
The problem is not the ES itself. The problem is that all downsides of ES had been removed.

ES was always higher than life, but it had the downside that it only regenerates itself after a (long) time without being hit. This justified a much higher ES pool.

But now you can decrease the waiting time before it recharges a lot. You can use leech to fill it up ... So all downsides which justified a higher ES pool compared to life had been removed.

THAT had make ES so OP.




Last edited by DeltaWing on Jan 14, 2017, 5:55:15 AM
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Aim_Deep wrote:
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eragon1111 wrote:
Without instant leech, more than half of current t1 builds would be simply DEAD. Im all for VP removal from the game and leaving only "on hit" instant leech options.

Game would be way easier to balance.


What does that have to do with my post? He is not using VP but ZO and regen is insane enough. Whole point was ES@25K EHP life maxes at about 1/3 of that and cant take the big hits while ES can.

Removing VP is dumb too why would you want less diversity? Then everyone is a regen tank like this guy instead of a leech one further destory life builds even more who definity cant take two hits in succession w/o some VP leech while again ES can

I'd move VP to way lower left of tree away from the monsterous ES nodes but otherwise it's fine too. I have notplayed life in about a year since this patch and the real problem is % are way too low to compete with ES builds. T1 life on almost all gear 240% life in tree and jewels and pathetic 6500 life or 1/4 his EHP is what i'm dealing with.

All life node need about 50% buff. Like 5's become 7's or 8%ers.

Life should be weaker than ES due to flasks but not that fucking weak.


Seriously dont destroy leech thats stupid as fuck. Then everyone will go 20k + ES CI regen tanks. This is what GGG doesnt understand we will always find a way to beat their shit. If the game is sooooooo hard that we cant thats when people leave out of frustration.

They desperately need to stop the nerf train madness.
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Last edited by TheAshmaker on Jan 14, 2017, 9:30:12 AM
Lol if you fuck with leech I'll just do some dumbass build that does 9999999k DPS as usual.

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How did a "ES has way more buffer than life, thats op!" turn into "VP is op!"?

That has zero relevance. Its literally the opposite.

Because if you remove VP now, people would make regen tanks. What are the best regen tanks? CI builds. (because you could go either normal regen, or wicked ward ES recharge)

CI has too much buffer period (or life doesnt have enough). Before any other balance considerations, this needs to be adressed. Changing anything else with the current sustain methods will result in exactly the same situation as we have now. (ie. whatever you do, CI is better at it)
VP isn't the problem, its ghost reaver.

remove ghost reaver so ES cannot have instant leech. life by all means should have something ES cannot have in order to compensate for the lower values. potions is just not enough because they are not enough to keep you alive now-a-days.

right now all life builds depend on vaal pact. without VP no life build could survive t16/shaper, to be honest.

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