Here's something you can never lose, but only gain: Psychology of Exile

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Deceptionist wrote:

Both of you seem to forget one important detail: I base my information off of other people's information that have been to Merciless difficulty. I have friends, I ask them questions, I look for patterns in people's playstyles, I pay attention to their builds, their mindset, their gear, et cetera.

You keep twisting my position to force your opinion into the spotlight, but you never learn that speaking for someone elses argument is no longer an acceptable argument. You're wrong about my position, thus you're wrong about mostly anything you respond to me with. I don't play HC, I do play the game. I'm in Act 2 Cruel, and I know Merciless isn't going to be easy, either. Instead I watch other people play, I'm an observer. I've always been an observer. A lot of the things I say are agreed upon, people enjoy my information, I state it critically and with meaning, and I don't go around making people sound inexistent just because they don't try hard in a game that isn't even that difficult when you put some thought into it in the first place.

That's it.

You are funny. You have did nothing BUT speak for other people's arguements; imaginary people at that. You continually reference these magical people that go against the grain successfully, and argue on their behalf do you not? You are the one speaking for others; others that dont exist.

Who the hell do you observe? Streamers? If so how did you ever deduce that HP builds weren't superior? I would venture to say most streamers are stacked to the gills with HP.

So please who are you observing. Hell, where are the threads proclaiming glass cannon builds? One in a million? Where they never mention they die 1000 times? Please, give me this info so I too can go observe these players. I offered to observe you. I play SC too. I have played with glass cannons; I watch them die, too. I watch them change their builds to survive and therefore progress.

Generally, when someone proclaims everyone is wrong, they have a desire to prove them wrong. I play DW duelists because I feel I can make it work. Cleave sucks. Duelist sucks. But I play them to prove they can or can't be successful. My deduction? Viable, but absolute trash to LS builds, Ranged classes, hell probably even sweep builds. At least I am testing it, instead of just rolling up on the forums to say, "all you are bads! me and my imaginary friends farm the game faster then anyone with our DW cleave builds!" which is exactly how you sound.

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VolcanoElixir wrote:

You haven't earned any credibility except for being an expert level troll.

Learning about what other people do is one thing, I do it myself, but it's another to actually play the game and realize WHY they do the things they do, why they choose the options.

I laughed.

I know why they do it. I don't have to apply it to know why they do it. I don't have to be a serial killer to know why they kill, why they assume they have voices in their head, why they don't understand it, themselves. I don't have to be the wife with a child to know what it's like, I don't have to be in her shoes to understand the confliction by cross-referencing her to other women and using that data and information to create a frame-work of her problems. I don't have to be an old man to know that they aren't always wise. There is so much more than first hand experience, and there is too many people using otherwise as an excuse to get away with their actions. Many people tell you to walk in their shoes, while they don't even fully understand themselves in the first place.

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Destructodave wrote:

You are the one speaking for others; others that dont exist.

Who the hell do you observe?

Generally, when someone proclaims everyone is wrong, they have a desire to prove them wrong. I play DW duelists because I feel I can make it work. Cleave sucks. Duelist sucks. But I play them to prove they can or can't be successful. My deduction? Viable, but absolute trash to LS builds, Ranged classes, hell probably even sweep builds. At least I am testing it, instead of just rolling up on the forums to say, "all you are bads! me and my imaginary friends farm the game faster then anyone with our DW cleave builds!" which is exactly how you sound.

Refer to: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/141994/page/28 on the last page.

I understand, dave. What I don't understand is how you think 1) I can't share my knowledge because I haven't applied it, 2) I forget names and numbers, therefore these people don't exist unless I remember them, 3) You base experience and knowledge off of people's accomplishments and 4) You seem to have this strange idea that I don't qualify for debate.

You won't have a lot of in-depth knowledge that will actually be useful in helping others. Your definition of "why" will be "because it's good/bad", not "it can function but will be slow to kill things due to reliance on crit with little base damage increase and inexpensive support gems and it balances HP with crit and doesn't have many opportunities to stack evasion, the type of armor that was chosen so it does have survivability problems throughout the three difficulties." (using my own Spellcaster as an example since I haven't tried something like Lightning Arrow.)

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I don't have to be the wife with a child to know what it's like

Good luck with that.

Thank you for your deep analysis of Path of Exile, Dr. Lecter. I am going to go back to playing my video game now.

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MrRaide wrote:

Everything after that though... yeah, just sounds like flowery, philosophical, and annoying preaching that has little to nothing to do with actual psychology or Path of Exile.

This is general discussion, it's supposed to be about a video game, not philosophy.

You're unsure of yourself and this response is purely subjective. Very rotten combo, I'd say.

And you're twisting words around again. I am not unsure of myself. I used the word 'sounds' because that is the way that I interpret it, but that is not the way you interpret it. It 'sounds' different to me, than it does to you.


Crap, now you got me doing it, too!

In that sense, yes, it is subjective. What isn't subjective is that General Discussion is not supposed to be about psychology, or philosophy, or the meaning of words, it's about discussion about PoE, which half of the discussion hasn't even been about.

You're also incredibly pretentious.

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VolcanoElixir wrote:

You won't have a lot of in-depth knowledge.

Does it matter? I have in-depth knowledge in psychology. I persuade people with information that is common, easy and marked with my simplicity. I help others catch up with the meta-game in my own way. I explain it in a language they can understand. I also give a lot of people more critical understanding of the game when it comes to their attitudes, perspectives and theoretical exercises. I don't go around telling people they will never progress if they don't go HP node stacking or ES/CI. I give people a bigger horizon to work with that is backed up by people who have already gone for a bigger horizon - one of the very types can be found in that link I gave dave.

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MrRaide wrote:

In that sense, yes, it is subjective. What isn't subjective is that General Discussion is not supposed to be about psychology, or philosophy, or the meaning of words, it's about discussion about PoE, which half of the discussion hasn't even been about.

You're also incredibly pretentious.

People play this game. Where there is people, there is psychology.

Pretentious? No. Intuitive and passionate? Yes.

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I don't go around telling people they will never progress if they don't go HP node stacking or ES/CI.

This is why you actually need to learn the game, because you don't have to tell people to go full life or CI, but it IS important to let people know that some life gained will help them a lot even for characters people don't expect would take it. Psychology is not an excuse to hold back on useful things people should know.

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VolcanoElixir wrote:

Psychology is not an excuse to hold back on useful things people should know.

Are you sure that this isn't another devil's advocate? You're really digging deep into tautologies with this response. You're twisting my words into something I do not agree with, and I'm the one that stated it. My intent: I observe people breaking the HP King and CI build stasises, then I take that information to give people something greater to look forward to. Your intent: "HP King and CI is the only way. Other builds can be viable, but they are massively undergraded compared to the former choices." There's a difference between you and I: I'm focused on the greater possibilities. You're focused on the lesser possibilities.

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Deceptionist wrote:

People play this game. Where there is people, there is psychology.

Shouldn't it be where there *are* people?
I should have been more clear, I have no problem with you discussing psychology and its relation to PoE and its players. I shouldn't have included the word 'psychology' in that sentence.

What I do have a problem with how you're bringing philosophy into it, like when you dismissed some peoples' examples because their definition of killing didn't match yours, etc.

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Pretentious? No. Intuitive and passionate? Yes.

This is exactly what a pretentious person would say.
I'm surprised you didn't catch that, what with you being so in to psychology and all.

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VolcanoElixir wrote:

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I don't go around telling people they will never progress if they don't go HP node stacking or ES/CI.

This is why you actually need to learn the game, because you don't have to tell people to go full life or CI, but it IS important to let people know that some life gained will help them a lot even for characters people don't expect would take it. Psychology is not an excuse to hold back on useful things people should know.

I didn't read his/her original post, but I've talked to friends who have, and I've asked them questions and can say with complete certainty that the OP's delusion psychology is killing my brain cells. I can say this with certainty.

=P


That said, he/she has every right to post whatever he/she likes with whatever conviction he/she can muster, imaginary or otherwise. It's freedom of speech and if people want to engage OP, then it's a job well done.