(Bloodlust + Wildstrike) Mechanics?

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Vipermagi wrote:

First of all: Wild Strike's conversion is not listed on the tooltip.
Second: Bloodlust's bonus is not listed on the tooltip.
Third: Conversion occurs before Damage multipliers. Converted Damage benefits from modifiers to the source-type.

Wild Strike's Elemental damage from conversion will benefit from Physical Damage bonuses, but the elemental effects do not deal Melee Damage - as such, Bloodlust only applies to the Melee strike, not the explosion/etc.

Is this the same for any melee skill that converts physical? Like frostblades for example...or glacial hammer, all of those conversions to elemental are done before bloodlust is factored in right? Makes bloodlust unusable for most cool skills. If I want to actually use it I guess I have to go with frenzy...cyclone...ground slam...etc, yawn.

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adghar wrote:

Bloodlust will only augment the Melee Hit. A lot of people get confused and think that the Melee Hit is all physical while the randomized effect is purely converted damage. Not so. Both the Melee Hit and the extra hitting effect deal a mixture of Physical Damage and Damage of one Element (presuming, of course, that you are scaling physical).

Both the physical and elemental damage dealt by the Melee Hit should be boosted a lot. But the extra effects will gain zero bonus from Bloodlust (i.e. Frost wave, fire explosion, Lightning chains).

"Both the physical and elemental damage dealt by the Melee Hit should be boosted a lot" you mean boosted by bloodlust?

"But the extra effects will gain zero bonus from Bloodlust" but you just said above that the elemental damage would be boosted by it?

I'm confused. Aren't the "extra effects" you are referring to the elemental portion?

Or maybe you're saying the converted damage is higher because of bloodlust but once it is converted it can't benefit from bloodlust in its converted form?

Maybe I'll understand your answer better if I ask this question instead: "Should I use bloodlust with wildstrike or not, if not, why?"

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1453R wrote:

All of which is why it is impossible to properly support friggin' Wild Strike.

Too bad, really. It's such a cool idea for a skill, but there's just no decent way to scale it since it has practically every attack keyword in the game but each one only one-third of the time. Never been able to figure out any kind of prototype build idea for it that makes any blasted sense.

oro, hyaon's?

doyrani's catalyst ? huge crit weapon?
phys to light, wed, multi, incr crit chance, crit mult? Plus another gem

Now you freeze, shock and burn with one skill, have 100% elemental convertion and dont need status ailment duration because of the big damage per crit.

play it with templar, the "ignore ele resistance on crit" node.

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1453R wrote:

All of which is why it is impossible to properly support friggin' Wild Strike.

Too bad, really. It's such a cool idea for a skill, but there's just no decent way to scale it since it has practically every attack keyword in the game but each one only one-third of the time. Never been able to figure out any kind of prototype build idea for it that makes any blasted sense.

Not really. Phys to light, WED, Ele Focus, Added Fire, Multistrike. Assuming you're going physical based, ofc.

If you're using an elemental weapon, probably just toss in added lightning/cold or (if you're isolating it to one elemental) a penetration.

Plus there's crit chance/damage if yo go that route.

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Geisalt wrote:

oro, hyaon's?

doyrani's catalyst ? huge crit weapon?
phys to light, wed, multi, incr crit chance, crit mult? Plus another gem

Now you freeze, shock and burn with one skill, have 100% elemental convertion and dont need status ailment duration because of the big damage per crit.

play it with templar, the "ignore ele resistance on crit" node.

The issue is that most Wild Strike builds are based on that physical conversion, so for best effect you need to scale the base physical damage the skill does in order to feed its conversions. WED/P2L is a great combo, but it's only secondary scaling. Never as effective as getting the entire thing bulked up.

Buuuuuuuut...since Wild Strike counts as, like, four different kinds of attacks at different points, there's pretty much nothing you can use to scale its base physical damage. I will also admit to ignorance in the case of Wild Strike's secondary effects and flat elemental weapons like Oro's or Dyadus - if the weapon has no, or very little, physical damage to convert into random elements and corresponding elemental sub-strikes, are the secondary strikes of the 'wrong' elements basically null damage? Or does the skill just generate (in the case of Oro's for example) fireblasts, 'lightning' arcs, and 'ice' blades that all just deal the original flat fire damage from Oro's? And how do you support the secondary skill effects? You need projectile speed for Icepulse, AoE increases/damage for the fireblast, and whatever for the arc shot. Not to mention the issues with elemental penetration!

Geh. FRIGGIN' WILD STRIKE. I want to use you, you're such a cool skill, but you're also a gigantic pain in the {Removed Pre-Emptively By Support}

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sindronian wrote:

I'm confused. Aren't the "extra effects" you are referring to the elemental portion?

The first part of my post was supposed to answer that. Vipermagi gave a pretty good explanation above. If it still isn't clear, I can probably mock up some images later.

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Maybe I'll understand your answer better if I ask this question instead: "Should I use bloodlust with wildstrike or not, if not, why?"

My answer would be probably not, because it would only help you against strictly single target, and would not help crowd clearing. There would probably be better choices than Wild Strike for single target in that case. It's an ok choice if you can't find any other support for it, but others have already pointed out you can go for full conversion route, which will scale all of your wild strike damage, period.

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flat elemental weapons like Oro's or Dyadus - if the weapon has no, or very little, physical damage to convert into random elements and corresponding elemental sub-strikes, are the secondary strikes of the 'wrong' elements basically null damage? Or does the skill just generate (in the case of Oro's for example) fireblasts, 'lightning' arcs, and 'ice' blades that all just deal the original flat fire damage from Oro's? And how do you support the secondary skill effects? You need projectile speed for Icepulse, AoE increases/damage for the fireblast, and whatever for the arc shot. Not to mention the issues with elemental penetration

You deal the full fire damage. I use wild strike on my Oro's. Even before the buff, it had good clear. Now it has amazing clear. Have you tried it since the buff? The buff was massive. You don't need boosts to the secondary effects because they're naturally amazing. And they deal full base damage, unlike Static Strike, Molten Strike, Lightning Strike. Supporting it with Oro's is easy. Fire Penetration, Weapon Elemental Damage, Multistrike, and if you want: Faster Attacks, Increased Critical Strikes, Elemental Focus (Increased Burning Damage is an alright contender, as is Life Leech, Mana Leech, or Life Gain on Hit.)