Why is GGG facilitating scripts/bots trading

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_Emperor_ wrote:

Keep the trade under GGGs roof, dont make any APIs available to anyone. Control gained, done by thousands of games with a trading system before.

while games with a subscription fee at least have some control over accounts, in a game with free accounts there is none.

every trade limit can be circumvented by just creating more accounts, the logical solution really was to just open the concept and make it available for everyone.

the good thing now is: everybody can easily setup such a "price alert" bot on poe.trade, it's pretty easy.

the bad thing: recognizing and profiting from price trends of certain items based on the trade api stream are exclusive to the people who have the ability to operate on the resulting databases.

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vio wrote:

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_Emperor_ wrote:

Keep the trade under GGGs roof, dont make any APIs available to anyone. Control gained, done by thousands of games with a trading system before.

while games with a subscription fee at least have some control over accounts, in a game with free accounts there is none.

every trade limit can be circumvented by just creating more accounts, the logical solution really was to just open the concept and make it available for everyone.

the good thing now is: everybody can easily setup such a "price alert" bot on poe.trade, it's pretty easy.

the bad thing: recognizing and profiting from price trends of certain items based on the trade api stream are exclusive to the people who have the ability to operate on the resulting databases.

This is simply not true, or you have a "system" in mind that you didnt outline.

How does a subscription fee relate to account controls? I dont see the link, so if could elaborate that would be awesome. And why does that have anything to do with trading?

How can EVERY trade limit be circumvented by creating more accounts? And why do we need a trade limit?
This is about trade automation, not about limiting trades to non paying customers.

The "good" thing is good only because you consider it good. TOS says no automation beyond simple 1-2 clicks or something to that liking. I can create a script that will whisper you as soon as i hear a whoop from a script that poe.xyz runs. Let me assure you that is more than a couple of actions taken.
And the gap between who do it and people who dont grows ever more and it does impact everything. Unless you are SSF.. then more power to you!

What you consider bad is partially true. Recognizing trends and profiting is awesome if you have the acumen required to do so.. scanning databases and the constant river of data to profit is, simply put, insane when it comes to playing a game.

I do not mind that people are doing it. I mind the fact that it is possible to do it.

TLDR,
Keeping the "DATA RIVER" private and providing a tool for trade in the game stops all of this, other than the BOTTING problem that is already present in the game and is being fought daily if we are to believe GGGs reports.

Cheers

you can bot an AH just from screen scraping, the data river is delivered to us either way, as they still show the contents of the AH.

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LostForm wrote:

you can bot an AH just from screen scraping, the data river is delivered to us either way, as they still show the contents of the AH.

There is a world of difference.
The bot still needs to request data, browse the categories, set the price ranges and all that. then send the query to the server...

Just think of world of warcraft AH.. can a bot browse it? yes.
Does the bot have access to the whole AH pool at his disposal with real time queries constantly running on every new item added? no.

And you can do the "you are refreshing the query too fast" to stall the bot.

Now you have a constant script called poe.trade running for you all the time, and with a bit of work you automate everything up to opening trade chat window with the person you want to trade with. Everything else was already done for you.

i think this is lame. Closed beta was a long time ago, and having an auction house on a 3rd party site is not cool... especially if it is running scripts and allows bunch of other scripts to run and interface with poe.

"we dont want an auction house and we dont allow automation" but "here is all of our data so you can do it yourself"...

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Fundamentally I don't think it's too big of a problem. Think of it this way: if everybody is using bot tools, then as a seller, all you have to do is publicly list an item with no buyout, look at the automated offers, then start listing it at higher prices until you stop receiving automated offers. That seems like a fair way to do trades given the massive amount of automation people have access to.

The issue however is that the automated system shares the same ecosystem with non-automated methods. As a seller, doing the above would be rude to those who honestly are playing the game with a notification, stop what they are doing, and manually type up an offer. Likewise, the automated buyers are feeding off the people who assume they are not dealing with robots, and so are limited by trying not to be rude to the potential buyers by changing their price.

I feel the whole thing would be fine if there was a way to label script users as script users and manual traders as such. People aren't going to like the sound of this, but the best way I can think of is to officially incorporate it into the trading system.