Why is GGG facilitating scripts/bots trading
" It's not though. Confining trading to be in-game only makes it possible to restrict and control people. Having external APIs like we have now is a botting paradise, and you (should) know that. | |
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Last edited by Randall#0850 on Jun 12, 2016, 1:56:00 PM
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" How do you want to control people? I ask becasue multibilion company with experienced game developers tried ah in their hack n slash and they f'n failed. "Is there such a thing as an absolute, timeless enemy? There is no such thing, and never has been. And the reason is that our enemies are human beings like us. They can only be our enemies in relative terms." Last edited by kamil1210#5432 on Jun 12, 2016, 7:25:59 AM
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Actually its worse than AH. AH flippers could not do low driver scams like list an item 1/20th value and hope inexperienced people see that price while doing a price match, then the scammer instantly snaps up the persons item who was foolish enough to list that low. They ignore you ofc if you try and buy their low driver. In AH they cant do that because item they listed way to low gets bought and scammer loses.
It's also worse in that there is no market. Items are not driven to what market will bear like on a bid system. It's worse in that you cant buy when someone is AFK, in the crappy lab, another ladder or offline. AH was ahead of its time IMO. Git R Dun!
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I dont get it, are you really complaining that when you put something publicly for sale in a premium tab that you have manually set to list the item on poe trade, you are fucking complaining when people want to buy it ?
Or is it the other way around, you want to be the one that nabs the cheap deals but are grumpy that someone is getting there faster ? |
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" This. I can understand not liking poe.trade on principal but when you are using it to buy/sell items, why complain when you get close to immediate buy offers? It likely means you have a really nice item and they have been waiting for it. If you throw it in your public tab, depending on the item, people will try to lowball you if it is still unpriced or they will ask how much you want like I did with perandus manor maps last league. If you are complaining about the former, people will always lowball you if you leave it unpriced, with live search they can get it done quicker is all. I do also think your real complaint is awright's second part, you seem to be salty that people leave live searches up and jump on them to capitalize on good deals. You either do too and are too slow to react to them/doing something at that very moment and miss out - hence complaining because you think all these people are just playing the market and not the game itself, or you don't like live searching in general and think people should have to refresh their searches constantly and be at the same level as you. "It's all clearer now And I hear her now And I'm nearer to The Salvation Code" Last edited by PleiadesBlackstar#6327 on Jun 12, 2016, 9:34:47 AM
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" For starters: * Do not have a "live search" feature. The only purpose of that is to encourage nolifing the AH and/or botting. * Allow a max of 1 search per 10 seconds or something like that. If you exceed that - warn user. If you ignore that, kick them out for a couple of minutes or so. Repeated breaches during a short time = auto-ban. * Have a maximum amount of items you can list, so let's say you're only allowed to list 20 items concurrently. Or 30, or 50. The number isn't important, the cap is. * Have a cap on the amount of items you can purchase per day, and set this low (5-10 or something). * Add some captcha-like system when purchasing something, asking for something random, in a random position on the screen, using random fonts/graphics to discourage picture analysis. I'm sure there are other and/or more things you could do - this is just what I came up with in a few minutes. None of the above measures would really make your average player any harm, but it would wreck the abusers, fairly sure of it. The only reason Blizzard failed is due to their overly lax attitude towards botting (and their extremely simplistic itemization). They've always had that problem, and they never seem to take it seriously. It's a shame. Considering their size and player base, they're probably too afraid of false positives and the customer service nightmare it would entail. Or something, I'm just guessing. :) | |
" Please clarify what is wrong with a "live search" ? Remove it purely so those that do run a macro have an advantage ? I dont even use it myself, I just use poe.trade like any normal user would as and when i need it. " Again, whats the freaking point ? " Do you play the game with just 10 stash tabs and spunk all your supporter pack points on useless visual mtx's ? depending on the item size, thats less than a tabs's worth of listed items. " Why ? " And again, Why ? " And once again, Why ? Who are the abusers ? The ones using something that everyone can use if they chose too ? Whats abusive about that ? Now with all your blindingly bright ideas, please suggest a way of having a working "auction house" with poe's barter system ? Considering there is no set currency as such. Or do you propose making a gold standard currency, because that is exactly where diablo 3 went wrong. [€] I just want to reiterate that I dont often trade as a buyer, I only buy stuff when I need it, I wont mess around, Ill pay the asking price instead of fucking around and i dont use the live search function. I do sell a lot of stuff though as thats how i make my currency to fund for things i need or want to try out etc. If someone does come up with an idea that couple actually work that integrates a barter system within the game client, Ill likely support that, but just changing shit for the sheer sake of changing shit to frustrate those that use tools that are there for everyone to use just because some people dont use them seems fucking pointless Last edited by awright#1711 on Jun 12, 2016, 11:41:14 AM
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" I think you missed the post I was responding to. The point is primarily to combat trade bots/scripts/automated tools and ensure the economy isn't overrun by flippers (who, unsurprisingly, are the same people). All in all it was an example on how GGG could control its auction house players, should they desire to do so. Why would it not work the way poe.trade does now though? You list an item, you set a price, boom. No need for gold or anything like that, it's already working well isn't it? Either way it's merely an academic discussion because it's not gonna happen - hence my sparse reply. Sorry. Granted, GGG gave us Lockstep after years of denying it, so maybe there is a slight chance they'll revise their stance on an auction house too. I wouldn't hold my breath, though. |
