3.0 Dual Striker Leechtank The Wolf Bleeds Yet Dies Not 2xCORE SHAPER UBER ATZ [Umbra-Soup-Rogue]

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Ðrakken wrote:

Hi Umbra/Soup!

I have always loved playing dual wield melee builds and when I started playing PoE not too long ago I found myself going down this path and was fortunate enough to find your build about midway into building my character in the Essence league, saw I was heading down a nearly identical path, and jumped on board from there.

I'm level 93 and generally have very few problems with the build, but I would like to submit my results for you both to review in the hopes of getting a few pointers as to where the chinks in my armor are, as I definetely am beginning to have trouble with some bosses/mob T14+ and am gearing up to take down shaper and do not feel confident enough to engage him just yet.

Here are my Stats below; gear should be publicly available to view via my forum profile:

http://imgur.com/a/AFXAn

Key Differences:

1. I use cleave as a matter of personal preference: it simply clears faster for my given playstyle, and the added inherent AoE + lots of Intelligence actually adds to my survivability in non-boss scenarios: I can leech and do great DPS well out of range of most mobs even entering my hitbox, and even big HP ones melt before they can touch me if I position properly.

2. Iron Reflexes + Unwavering Stance (tree, not Kaom's); I run this pretty much all the time for greater Phys reduction since, unless I'm reading your guide wrong & Soup's non-legacy stats, Eva rating is pretty much wasted/useless without both of these in combination since you cannot evade attacks anyway. Was curious as to why you'd rather run 1-2k armor 0% dodge vs. what I have, which is about 5k Armor 0% dodge; think I'm missing something here.

3. Fewer Uniques/Spell Block - I find it incredibly difficult to achieve good resistance levels if I'm not sporting yellows in the hands/boots/rings/ammy slots, and found its actually more dangerous to run items like Voidheart or Kaom's Roots given that Cleave's DPS is sufficient and with high res I don't have a problem using leech to survive than if I take bigger hits with lower res. I'm at a loss as to whether or not this is optimal as a newbie PoE player -- also legacy uniques are unavailable in Esc but to be honest I am not very familiar with the key diffs/benefits the legacy items provide vs. what's available. Looking for your thoughts!

My Biggest Problem:

One-shots: Unbuffed 6.8k HP, 150-170 res, 30%+ block, 11 APS, Cannot Be Stunned and 120k+ dps and I am still very frequently encountering bosses and even rare/purple mobs that can one-shot me even when buffed sometimes. I don't run T14+ maps with temp chains or high phys reflect, but even then there are times when otherwise easy clear maps can surprise me with instadeath. Is there some mod I should be paying attention to that might be the culprit or are their some build changes I need to make? It's very frustrating.

Looking forward to your thoughts!

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Umbra_the_Wolf wrote:

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Ðrakken wrote:

Hi Umbra/Soup!

I have always loved playing dual wield melee builds and when I started playing PoE not too long ago I found myself going down this path and was fortunate enough to find your build about midway into building my character in the Essence league, saw I was heading down a nearly identical path, and jumped on board from there.

I'm level 93 and generally have very few problems with the build, but I would like to submit my results for you both to review in the hopes of getting a few pointers as to where the chinks in my armor are, as I definetely am beginning to have trouble with some bosses/mob T14+ and am gearing up to take down shaper and do not feel confident enough to engage him just yet.

Here are my Stats below; gear should be publicly available to view via my forum profile:

http://imgur.com/a/AFXAn

Key Differences:

1. I use cleave as a matter of personal preference: it simply clears faster for my given playstyle, and the added inherent AoE + lots of Intelligence actually adds to my survivability in non-boss scenarios: I can leech and do great DPS well out of range of most mobs even entering my hitbox, and even big HP ones melt before they can touch me if I position properly.

2. Iron Reflexes + Unwavering Stance (tree, not Kaom's); I run this pretty much all the time for greater Phys reduction since, unless I'm reading your guide wrong & Soup's non-legacy stats, Eva rating is pretty much wasted/useless without both of these in combination since you cannot evade attacks anyway. Was curious as to why you'd rather run 1-2k armor 0% dodge vs. what I have, which is about 5k Armor 0% dodge; think I'm missing something here.

3. Fewer Uniques/Spell Block - I find it incredibly difficult to achieve good resistance levels if I'm not sporting yellows in the hands/boots/rings/ammy slots, and found its actually more dangerous to run items like Voidheart or Kaom's Roots given that Cleave's DPS is sufficient and with high res I don't have a problem using leech to survive than if I take bigger hits with lower res. I'm at a loss as to whether or not this is optimal as a newbie PoE player -- also legacy uniques are unavailable in Esc but to be honest I am not very familiar with the key diffs/benefits the legacy items provide vs. what's available. Looking for your thoughts!

My Biggest Problem:

One-shots: Unbuffed 6.8k HP, 150-170 res, 30%+ block, 11 APS, Cannot Be Stunned and 120k+ dps and I am still very frequently encountering bosses and even rare/purple mobs that can one-shot me even when buffed sometimes. I don't run T14+ maps with temp chains or high phys reflect, but even then there are times when otherwise easy clear maps can surprise me with instadeath. Is there some mod I should be paying attention to that might be the culprit or are their some build changes I need to make? It's very frustrating.

Looking forward to your thoughts!

Hey there, glad to see you on board :D

1. Your preference is all you man :D I pretty much nuke entire mobs instantaneously in T16 maps so my focus is on bosses and I found cleave wanting in 1v1
2. Meh, armor does nothing as most hits now that can kill my guy in 1 hit are magically powered attacks that don't even count as physical attacks. You saw my 2xAbyss video? He was pretty much doing all physical damage. Meh. As I wrote in my guide, physical damage doesn't pose a threat leaving me able to put those passives something much more meaningful. You use cleave, so you're reaction to phys damage will be very different. I attack so fast and leech so fast it doesn't matter. If I don't die in one hit... I don't die.
3. My build has a budget version that can kill everyone except shaper. I also dropped Kaom's so now you have gloves, boots, belt and one ring for resistances and stats. It's become much easier to gear my dude to avoid intelligence and resistance problems
4. One shots are EVERYONE'S problems. It's why I droped a few passives here and there for life pool. Now only Uber Atziri, Shaper and sometimes Uber Malachai can one shot me. Corrupted Guardian maps that are unreasonable like +200% fire damage on phoenix map can get me one shot.

I recommend dropping Cleave for Dual Strike. It's just all around better.

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Ðrakken wrote:

OH, forgot one big question:

CWDT setup:

You lay out the links/gem combinations, but is there a certain level combination I should aim for with certain skills/links thats better? I currently have them all at lvl 20. That might be a problem I've missed.

Ty!

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1. I use cleave as a matter of personal preference: it simply clears faster for my given playstyle, and the added inherent AoE + lots of Intelligence actually adds to my survivability in non-boss scenarios: I can leech and do great DPS well out of range of most mobs even entering my hitbox, and even big HP ones melt before they can touch me if I position properly.