Donald Trump

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LostForm wrote:
The largest problem I see in our country right now, is this weird dichotomy of incentives and punishment.

We incentivize the top echelon with tax breaks and golden parachutes, we pay them to motivate them, we tell them they can do no wrong, and actually encourage them in the market to do wrong to create market volatility and the top echelon move money around between each other and by and large everyone grows their wealth, with government bail outs if the calculations are wrong.

Meanwhile at the bottom we offer lots of punishment. We don't incentivize poor people to keep their cars maintained, we hit them with fines that build to jail time if they don't. We don't incentivize to go to school and be good students, we charge them with truancy and make them life long criminals if they don't go to school. We don't incentivize to expand horizons and find a calling, we load them up with grinding debt from every facet of life and tell them to work two or three jobs just to keep their head above water and if they don't, we charge them as criminal debt holders.

Just think the fella that was shot by police in Minnesota had been pulled over and ticketed 52 times for taillights or out of date inspections. He had over $6500 in fines, at about $125 a pop for trivial issues with his vehicle and was eventually shot and killed because his taillight was out and he was legally carrying a firearm and properly alerted the stopping officer a firearm was present. That is the problem. Just imagine that basically everytime something minor in your life, like a light bulb goes out, a police officer calls you on it and gives you a punishment. Pulls you over and implicitly or explicitly accuses you of being 71 different flavors of criminal. It would be tiring.



Amazing I have never had a ticket. Maybe because I keep my vehicles including dumb trucks bulldozers, a crane, backhoes good working order? This is all bull. We have a grievance culture full of whiners where hard work paying your dues and abiding by law is for suckers. And that goes to the very top. The only difference is Wall Street bank have the juice to get bailouts. But the free shit army not my fault army is everywhere.
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Aim_Deep wrote:
Stand up to Russia LMAO. USA has not won a war since WW2 (which Russians did 99% of the work).


The most successful wars are those that never need be fought. Failing to recognize that "stand up to", is not the same as "engage in combat with" is - telling.


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Aim_Deep wrote:
Rag tag guys with sandles handed us our ass.


The same rag tags that we taught and helped hand Russia their ass and ended up helping bring down the USSR?




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Aim_Deep wrote:

Get a grip man. We'd be lucky to beat Granada at this point.

The US army is a joke and political leaders even moreso. Big govt at work. All good conservatives should see contridiction in their lauding military and dissing every other program but no it fails them

wtf over? does not compute.

The exact same deleterious mechanics are at work in military. revolving door, no accountability, no standards but yes men to pevailing winds, people who couldnt get a real job in the free market, etc


You've got a serious bias against the military.

Jack Taylor, who said the Navy helped him mature and gain a sense of competence, is a great example of one of those people who couldn't get a job in the free market. That must be why the company he founded hires more college graduates than any other company in the world, and why he passed away worth 5.3 Billion dollars and 90,000 employees.

There's also that Ne'er do well, Abraham Lincoln, whose service in the militia kept him from getting any meaningful work afterwards. and allowed a civil war to succeed and divide our nation.

Another example of one of those people who couldn't get a job in the free market, is this former Navy Captain - Sheesh, who would ever hire him?




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Aim_Deep wrote:
If you want to fix the middle east my advice is give them trillions of dollars ...


Because throwing money at things always solves the problem. That's why we had a cure for cancer thirty years ago, and public school education in the US is the best worldwide, and we obviously have the best health care system worldwide too, because we throw the most money at it.



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Aim_Deep wrote:
for all the pain and suffering USA policy has caused the last 70 years. Reject the Israel lobby, the fascist gulf monarchs lobby, or any lobby for that matter and become a beacon of freedom and justice we claim to be.


If you mean a beacon for free, unearned cash, I'd agree with your methodology.


Unearned cash? Learn about torts. You come to my house and destroy it and kill half my family you would pay. We have destroyed half the ME and killed millions over the last 70 years via coups/supporting ruthless dictators/proxy armies, or direct intervention. That blood cries for justice. 20 trillion 30 trillion? I dont know. We'd need to sit down with all the leaders and come to an agreement.

I have no bias against the military. At least not more than any other. Just another government program rife with incompetence and failure like all are. Totally unproductive in fact destructive as it's MO. I'd rather not spend it at all but 2 trillion we wasted in Iraq murdering and pillaging could have built solar for the whole country and rid ourselves of coal fire plants. Would still be a wasteful big government program but have actual utility.

They didnt quite have just sandles now did they when facing Russia? Terrorists, who later attacked us in 911, were uparmed with stinger missiles and anything else they needed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

Wonder how Afghanistan and Iraq would look if Russians gave AQ/ISIS/taliban Igla missiles and whatever else they needed? We'd left in 1 month prolly. Instead it's taken years to defeat us with Korean war era weapons and sandles.

PS you didnt read Adams. You're as lost as he said we would become.
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Last edited by Aim_Deep on Jul 13, 2016, 3:35:26 PM
hey buddy good for you! Your anecdotal evidence and dismissive attitude and huge incentivized fleet of work vehicles has surely opened my eyes!
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Xavderion wrote:
New Quinnipac polls lads, look at them swing states: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/elections/



Polls are extremely malleable, and subject to all sorts of chicanery. I don't trust 'em anymore, positive or negative. Polls reporting Trump's rise (whether accurately reported, or a manufactured stat) could simply be intended to give Hillary something to fundraise off of.

The only poll that matters, ultimately, is the one you enter to vote... And mebbe not even then. ='[.]'=

ETA: From the blog of Scott Adams, creator of the Dilbert comic:

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/147342251861/trumps-glide-path

He has a number of very interesting blog entries following the election, written from the perspective of a trained persuader. And, no, Adams doesn't support Trump. Not officially.
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Last edited by Raycheetah on Jul 13, 2016, 4:29:37 PM
If I'm dismissive because I've seen people who come here with nothing but clothes on their back and become millionaires through tried and true methods or being an asset instead of a deadbeat liability. Often minorities. Leftists call them model minorities azns native africans and mexicans mainly. Our indigenous losers just cry and want more free shit. Pretty much everything is anecdote. like the aged philosopher Yoda said truths we cling to are from certain point of view.
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Last edited by Aim_Deep on Jul 13, 2016, 4:36:24 PM
yep, everyone in poverty in America is a dead beat liability. You are a fountain of knowledge, pretty good source for your philosophies too, fictional characters.
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Aim_Deep wrote:
I don;t see how free trade has been good. All these people rioting would have jobs and community to go to instead of failing schools to prison pipeline. Instead our big corps farm out pretty much everything we consume to slave labor camps in China Bangladesh or wherever. Seems worse. Good for wall street I'm sure but has priced American labor out of the market. Even mininum wage cant compete with $2 a day. Except for what we cant import then we just import cheap often illegal labor for that.

I like idea of Free trade but you're not competing on equal surfaces. One has workman's comp, unemployment insurance, high wages mandated, health care etc. Other uses slave labor.

Save your breath consulting experts they are always wrong. Unlike me with no college education predicted everything about Libya and many other things. It's just common sense.


Dude, US has low unemployment compared to most of the world, near the natural rate...many places in Europe are in the free trade bandwagon and they are not having the same problems than US. I say there are other issues to adress (people displaced by trade that definitively need a hand and people having low wages, but that's it...there are better ways to adress that).

I live in a place where free trade is non existent (heavy tariffs) and everything is more expensive and there are not really many upsides (except stroking our ego about the national industry).

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morbo wrote:
On a related note: the old socialist loon Bernie Sanders finally bended the knee and endorsed Hillary. I actually thought this marxist had some ideological integrity, but I guess not, hahaha... :))


A socialist that doesn't want to nationalize industries is not a socialist. Bernie Sanders is still an economic illiterate, but no socialist (at least not anymore, there is hilarious material about the past though, he seems in line to many european parties that call themselves socialist mainly because of tradition).

Also, there is a lot of integrity in fucking with Trump. I say it's a duty.

Trump is even less for free markets than Bernie and that's utterly pathetic to the point of being a joke. Some people think it's not socialism if you think of American flags. Let's return to XVII century economics for the lulz.

Some people go there preaching capitalism but they wouldn't know how it works even if their lives were at risk.
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Aim_Deep wrote:
If I'm dismissive because I've seen people who come here with nothing but clothes on their back and become millionaires through tried and true methods or being an asset instead of a deadbeat liability.

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Aim_Deep wrote:
Fuck with Trump all you want. Songs will be written about him after he makes us great again.


People are at the point were they want to ignore polls (like it happened with Sanders before, because muh bias). I think that something big will have to happen to Trump after so much douchebaggery to win.
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