How to reduce the risk of the 1sec lag on ''Guarded by a rogue exile''
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maxkardinal wrote:
I didn't see in the patch notes, when Ambush league was introduced, line which said:
"Rogue exie mod on a strongbox is creating a delay between server and client connection, which results in one or more second freeze.
there is no delay in client/server communication when opening certain boxes.
there are just some bytes sent by he server to define which monsters to spawn and it's the client's task to load the monsters' assets from the ressource file and display it.
so having a fast harddisk/ssd improves the lag when opening strongboxes, your connection speed only has a negligible influence.
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Why is it asinine(why not use the word stupid? trying to look smart or something?) to come whit a suggested solution to an existing problem?
Asinine is the best word to use under the circumstances, If I have to use a subpar word in order to describe how bad of an idea these suggestions are because people that don't know the meaning can't google, well then obviously we have other issues.
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Further you state that just because some ppl r having isseus(implying that their nr is small) nothing should be done ,wow how nice of you, basicly you r saying tough shit to those players.
Number of people having the issue is somewhat irrelevant, if it was as wide spread as the previous lag with all strongboxes then that would be one thing, however its with a very specific strongbox and a very specific mod. My solution to players that have such a terrible experience with this mod currently is roll over the mod, its not even the best mod for boxes to begin with.
If someone can comeup with a solution that doesn't make this mod easier for 99% of the cases just because a specific optional mod has an issue, I'd be more then welcome to listen to the suggestion.
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Furthermore how do you know its only a small nr.? You have actual data on these numbers?
Also you seem to missing the point the problem is not being ambushed by monsters its the lag it cuases,unless you r saying that technical performence is part of the challenge,but that would be so silly i doubt you meant that.
Again specific numbers doesn't necessarily matter, lets say you always have issues with this mod, some may only have issues in a party, some may only have issues because of XX, players like myself never have as bad of an experience as you are describing, which means there are so many circumstances to consider. When the strongbox lag was global for every single mod ever the forums were plastered with complaints, that simply isn't the case.
The problem is the suggestions of just delaying the spawn rate longer and longer removes the actual challenge of the box for all mods GLOBALLY, just because a single mod, which you can choose to change is problematic for you an what I suspect is a small number of players.
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I didn't see in the patch notes, when Ambush league was introduced, line which said:
"Rogue exie mod on a strongbox is creating a delay between server and client connection, which results in one or more second freeze. During that freeze your character stand still surrounded by monsters, which are loaded on server side, and not loaded on your client side".
Maybe you you did?
And if you didn't, that means that rogue exile mod is not working as intended. Its bugged. And need to be fixed.
Any solution is better than what is it right now.
I didn't either, you are correct in assuming that specific line wasn't in the patch notes, you know what else wasn't in the patch notes:
"please change the way that ALL strongboxes behave in order to make a specific mod less of an issue for people that have performance issues, don't mind that players can change these mods themselves if they have issues that isn't relevant at all, don't mind that this challenge is optional, don't mind the fact that you don't drastically change the way a whole part of the game works because people don't want to think of better solutions, just change it because a terrible ass change is better then no change"
See I don't think I saw that either in the patch notes. As I've said above, come up with good solutions or at least don't make it seem like terrible solutions are actually better then no solution. You already have so many things you can do under the circumstances, especially if you know you have issues, why on earth sit here on the forums asking for worst implementations of fixes?
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Last edited by goetzjam#3084 on Nov 12, 2015, 9:31:58 AM
Why is it asinine(why not use the word stupid? trying to look smart or something?) to come whit a suggested solution to an existing problem?
Asinine is the best word to use under the circumstances, If I have to use a subpar word in order to describe how bad of an idea these suggestions are because people that don't know the meaning can't google, well then obviously we have other issues.
It is up to the person making the point to make sure it is as clear as possible just cause you can copy paste the dictionary doesnt mean you r smart and that others r dumb, i mean damn dude just how much do you look down on other ppl.
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Further you state that just because some ppl r having isseus(implying that their nr is small) nothing should be done ,wow how nice of you, basicly you r saying tough shit to those players.
Number of people having the issue is somewhat irrelevant, if it was as wide spread as the previous lag with all strongboxes then that would be one thing, however its with a very specific strongbox and a very specific mod. My solution to players that have such a terrible experience with this mod currently is roll over the mod, its not even the best mod for boxes to begin with.
Ofc course you would say its irrelevant cause it completey destroys your argument thats why i pointed it out cuase i love calling ppl out on their bs.
If someone can comeup with a solution that doesn't make this mod easier for 99% of the cases just because a specific optional mod has an issue, I'd be more then welcome to listen to the suggestion.
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Furthermore how do you know its only a small nr.? You have actual data on these numbers?
Also you seem to missing the point the problem is not being ambushed by monsters its the lag it cuases,unless you r saying that technical performence is part of the challenge,but that would be so silly i doubt you meant that.
Again specific numbers doesn't necessarily matter, lets say you always have issues with this mod, some may only have issues in a party, some may only have issues because of XX, players like myself never have as bad of an experience as you are describing, which means there are so many circumstances to consider. When the strongbox lag was global for every single mod ever the forums were plastered with complaints, that simply isn't the case.
And again yes they do you r making the claim that only a small number of ppl have problems whit it and thus nothing should be done.
But you dont know the numbers and when called out on your bs you state well if called out on my bs then the nr dont matter anymore yeah ok dude thats realy cheap.
Furthermore you dont have a problem so the problem doesnt exist nice atitude.
The problem is the suggestions of just delaying the spawn rate longer and longer removes the actual challenge of the box for all mods GLOBALLY, just because a single mod, which you can choose to change is problematic for you an what I suspect is a small number of players.
Again were r your numbers? You keep making claims whitout any proof.
Furthermore As i stated a challenge should come from gameplay not technical issues if you want the spwanrate to stay the ame fine then solve the issue if ggg cant they should change it its realy that simple .
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I didn't see in the patch notes, when Ambush league was introduced, line which said:
"Rogue exie mod on a strongbox is creating a delay between server and client connection, which results in one or more second freeze. During that freeze your character stand still surrounded by monsters, which are loaded on server side, and not loaded on your client side".
Maybe you you did?
And if you didn't, that means that rogue exile mod is not working as intended. Its bugged. And need to be fixed.
Any solution is better than what is it right now.
I didn't either, you are correct in assuming that specific line wasn't in the patch notes, you know what else wasn't in the patch notes:
"please change the way that ALL strongboxes behave in order to make a specific mod less of an issue for people that have performance issues, don't mind that players can change these mods themselves if they have issues that isn't relevant at all, don't mind that this challenge is optional, don't mind the fact that you don't drastically change the way a whole part of the game works because people don't want to think of better solutions, just change it because a terrible ass change is better then no change"
See I don't think I saw that either in the patch notes. As I've said above, come up with good solutions or at least don't make it seem like terrible solutions are actually better then no solution. You already have so many things you can do under the circumstances, especially if you know you have issues, why on earth sit here on the forums asking for worst implementations of fixes?
How is no solutin better? just cuase it more challenging for you the rest can just rot and die? your attitude has got the be the worst i have ever seen you care only about yourself you have nothing constructive to add,so sad how about thinking of your fellow players and their good time in a game r you even capable of that? i kinda doubt it this is all i have to say on the matter btw,cuase i am so done whit you .
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Last edited by jackof8lades#6863 on Nov 12, 2015, 11:48:20 AM
This is by far the most dangerous thing in POE now.
It helps if you clear the map first and i find it helpful to use before opening the box and ofc be running away.But yeah sometime you just have to hit every pot and hope.
edit and to the guy trolling about it being the players fault lol dude it has nothing to do with what tech you have its completely about certain zone assets being loaded when clicked instead of loading everything when the zone is first created they did this to cut down on loading times.
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Last edited by maxor#5545 on Nov 12, 2015, 12:22:01 PM
How is no solutin better? just cuase it more challenging for you the rest can just rot and die? your attitude has got the be the worst i have ever seen you care only about yourself you have nothing constructive to add,so sad how about thinking of your fellow players and their good time in a game r you even capable of that? i kinda doubt it this is all i have to say on the matter btw,cuase i am so done whit you .
Why quote everything I say just to write a paragraph just write @goetzjam or ^
I'm saying no change is better then a rash change to a system that is an optional part of the game and even more so an optional mod.
I only care about myself? Really when I specifically mentioned that if the delay is increased it affects everyone. How about you only care about yourself and who have this specific issue, at least my assessment is everyone, while yours is for sure more selfish then mine, how ironic.
Nothing constructive to add, you mean like mentioning this is an optional challenge with an optional mod that you as a player can choose to avoid, yeah that isn't helpful at all.
I'd rather you be done with the thread as well because you are too selfish to think of the greater good or the design of the game and only care because you have an issue with this mod. Do something about it besides complain on the forums, I bet you don't even use SSD.
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People this is a prime example of how to lose an argument and how to counter yourself with insults directed at your opposition.
How is no solutin better? just cuase it more challenging for you the rest can just rot and die? your attitude has got the be the worst i have ever seen you care only about yourself you have nothing constructive to add,so sad how about thinking of your fellow players and their good time in a game r you even capable of that? i kinda doubt it this is all i have to say on the matter btw,cuase i am so done whit you .
Why quote everything I say just to write a paragraph just write @goetzjam or ^
?????? you saying that just proves how detached from reality you r
I'm saying no change is better then a rash change to a system that is an optional part of the game and even more so an optional mod.
I only care about myself? Really when I specifically mentioned that if the delay is increased it affects everyone. How about you only care about yourself and who have this specific issue, at least my assessment is everyone, while yours is for sure more selfish then mine, how ironic.
Agan you claim to speak for a specific nr of ppl (were is your data?)
And again you show you dont care about the ppl whit problems,caring about ppl whit no problems is easy i care about the ones who do.
Nothing constructive to add, you mean like mentioning this is an optional challenge with an optional mod that you as a player can choose to avoid, yeah that isn't helpful at all.
you dont contribute in any possitive way you only dismiss ppl problems and solutions whitout providing any solutions yourself
I'd rather you be done with the thread as well because you are too selfish to think of the greater good or the design of the game and only care because you have an issue with this mod. Do something about it besides complain on the forums, I bet you don't even use SSD.right.
Who says i have a problem whit the mod?
Only reason i commented cause you were being your usual self and i love calling ppl like you out on there bs you make it so easy.
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People this is a prime example of how to lose an argument and how to counter yourself with insults directed at your opposition.
No spoiler ppl this is a prime example of how to lose an argument and try to weasel your way out of it when called out.
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Last edited by jackof8lades#6863 on Nov 12, 2015, 1:10:01 PM
You need to edit your post as you are misquoting me by not breaking down the responses properly.
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?????? you saying that just proves how detached from reality you r
Quoting a whole writeup just to make a 1 small paragraph response is pointless, plenty of options you could have done to not clutter up the page further. I'm detached from reality? Really you must not forum very often as you can't even quote properly.
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Nothing constructive to add, you mean like mentioning this is an optional challenge with an optional mod that you as a player can choose to avoid, yeah that isn't helpful at all.
Really how is that not helpful, it means you can completely avoid the circumstances which this problem presents itself. If you know a pot on the stove is hot do you touch it anyway?
Exiles don't drop maps anymore, its a pointless mod to roll on a box, the best you can get is a couple rare jewleries or the stupid rare occasion of a unique, but in all my playtime thats been a handful of unqiues and the best being rainbowstrides.
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you dont contribute in any possitive way you only dismiss ppl problems and solutions whitout providing any solutions yourself
See thats the thing I don't have to provide a solution to dismiss terrible ones, I only need to point out why the suggestion doesn't work. In addition i don't have to provide a solution for an optional mod for optional gameplay element. Again why touch the hot pot on the stove if you know you are going to get burnt?
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Who says i have a problem whit the mod?
Only reason i commented cause you were being your usual self and i love calling ppl like you out on there bs you make it so easy.
Well you have problems with the English so I assumed you had problems with the mod. Calling me out, absolutely nothing I said is BS, its all factually true in terms of downsides and design.
If your intent is just to cause forum chaos you won't get far, if you have a specific problem with something I said PM me and we can have a more enlightened conversation that way, don't clutter this thread up with your sad attempts of disrupting the conversation.
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No spoiler ppl this is a prime example of how to lose an argument and try to weasel your way out of it when called out.
I haven't lost this conversation, you haven't presented a single argument that is valid.
You need to edit your post as you are misquoting me by not breaking down the responses properly.
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?????? you saying that just proves how detached from reality you r
Quoting a whole writeup just to make a 1 small paragraph response is pointless, plenty of options you could have done to not clutter up the page further. I'm detached from reality? Really you must not forum very often as you can't even quote properly.
again funny coming from you
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Nothing constructive to add, you mean like mentioning this is an optional challenge with an optional mod that you as a player can choose to avoid, yeah that isn't helpful at all.
Really how is that not helpful, it means you can completely avoid the circumstances which this problem presents itself. If you know a pot on the stove is hot do you touch it anyway?
So ignore technical issues is a solution so just close your eyes and pretend it doesnt exist?
Exiles don't drop maps anymore, its a pointless mod to roll on a box, the best you can get is a couple rare jewleries or the stupid rare occasion of a unique, but in all my playtime thats been a handful of unqiues and the best being rainbowstrides.
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you dont contribute in any possitive way you only dismiss ppl problems and solutions whitout providing any solutions yourself
See thats the thing I don't have to provide a solution to dismiss terrible ones, I only need to point out why the suggestion doesn't work. In addition i don't have to provide a solution for an optional mod for optional gameplay element. Again why touch the hot pot on the stove if you know you are going to get burnt?
just dismissing bad ones whitout providing good ones is just that pointless and not constuctive it just shows you dont know what you r talking about it is easy to comment on others its much harder to provide a solution yourself which is prob. why you dont do it cuase that would take actual effort.
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Who says i have a problem whit the mod?
Only reason i commented cause you were being your usual self and i love calling ppl like you out on there bs you make it so easy.
Well you have problems with the English so I assumed you had problems with the mod. Calling me out, absolutely nothing I said is BS, its all factually true in terms of downsides and design.
And again you attack the person not the argument thats just lazy and childish.
If your intent is just to cause forum chaos you won't get far, if you have a specific problem with something I said PM me and we can have a more enlightened conversation that way, don't clutter this thread up with your sad attempts of disrupting the conversation.
How is that my intent?. You just cant handle it when ppl call you out on your nonsence.
And enlightend? you look down on ppl and talk down on ppl an enlightened person would never do that.
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No spoiler ppl this is a prime example of how to lose an argument and try to weasel your way out of it when called out.
I haven't lost this conversation, you haven't presented a single argument that is valid.
No your points were invalid i have disproven every point you made.
So you did lose the conservation so there(nanananaa)
Have a good day.
I would wish you the same but i rather not ly like you,cuase you dont wish me a good day at least be honest about it, i am.
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Last edited by jackof8lades#6863 on Nov 12, 2015, 3:01:20 PM
I didn't see in the patch notes, when Ambush league was introduced, line which said:
"Rogue exie mod on a strongbox is creating a delay between server and client connection, which results in one or more second freeze. During that freeze your character stand still surrounded by monsters, which are loaded on server side, and not loaded on your client side".
Maybe you you did?
And if you didn't, that means that rogue exile mod is not working as intended. Its bugged. And need to be fixed.
Any solution is better than what is it right now.
I didn't either, you are correct in assuming that specific line wasn't in the patch notes, you know what else wasn't in the patch notes:
"please change the way that ALL strongboxes behave in order to make a specific mod less of an issue for people that have performance issues, don't mind that players can change these mods themselves if they have issues that isn't relevant at all, don't mind that this challenge is optional, don't mind the fact that you don't drastically change the way a whole part of the game works because people don't want to think of better solutions, just change it because a terrible ass change is better then no change"
See I don't think I saw that either in the patch notes. As I've said above, come up with good solutions or at least don't make it seem like terrible solutions are actually better then no solution. You already have so many things you can do under the circumstances, especially if you know you have issues, why on earth sit here on the forums asking for worst implementations of fixes?
GGG fucked up making such desing live in the first place. Their engine do not alloud such mecanic to work correct.
Why do you let things that can not work correct go live? - that is the question.
But thats PoE's thing. Fuck things up, that could easly be made well. PoE is like Bentley with squared wheels. Yes, its Bentley, but why the FUCK wheels should be square?! (i'm pointing at trading system here)
That exile mod nothing but a fail. One of many. Like GGG have a limit of normal choices somewhere, and they exceed it every time they try to add something in the game, so some things get guaranteed worst possible implementation.
I said it lots of time - thing i really wait is that someone make on kickstarter a project that will copy most things from PoE, make normal engine for it, make no waste leagues and actual ingame trading tools. And we will have normal ARPG around.
GGG fucked up making such desing live in the first place. Their engine do not alloud such mecanic to work correct.
Why do you let things that can not work correct go live? - that is the question.
But thats PoE's thing. Fuck things up, that could easly be made well. PoE is like Bentley with squared wheels. Yes, its Bentley, but why the FUCK wheels should be square?! (i'm pointing at trading system here)
That exile mod nothing but a fail. One of many. Like GGG have a limit of normal choices somewhere, and they exceed it every time they try to add something in the game, so some things get guaranteed worst possible implementation.
I said it lots of time - thing i really wait is that someone make on kickstarter a project that will copy most things from PoE, make normal engine for it, make no waste leagues and actual ingame trading tools. And we will have normal ARPG around.
IDK if its an engine limitation if the problem isn't a global one. For example I don't have the lag described in this thread from exiles, its slightly noticeable, but I've never died from it in recent memory (last year) and I've switched to primarily playing in HC leagues.
Why let a mechanic that they can't test every single combination of hardware and software go to live, idk maybe because in their internal testing they didn't have issues, again this issue isn't global, at least the severity of it isn't.
Yep GGG just makes these things just to fuck you over, they specifically target people that complain on the forums so they have a worst experience and go away /s
The exile mod is a subpar choice anyway, yet I still love to kill exiles so unless its a high level map I just keep and kill.
The umbra game might be worth looking into, it was a kickstarter (or one of those types) of games that looks like it has a decent skeleton of a design. It utilizes flask and has hideouts or similar thing as well. It also uses the CRYENGINE, so hopefully no issues relating to that.
PoE wasn't made to be a normal ARPG. In addition leagues are NOT a waste, they are what keeps these games going, over 1/2 the population plays in temp leagues.
