Grandmaster Resubmission
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To be honest I have no actual idea they couldn't snapshot or keep a version of the that exile in the game as a rogue exile type of mod.
I'll also take someone grandmaster if they want, I'll just turn on my standard characters into the ultimate aura bot ;v |
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" We tested it extensively
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" The Grandmasters don't work in such a way that that's possible or even necessarily desirable. Stats are snapshot, skills use the player equivalents. For example, the leech changes mean there is now the concept of a maximum leech rate, that existing Grandmasters do not have because they snapshotted the stats that the grandmaster had on export. As such, it defaults to 0 for them, so they can't leech until we manually give it to them. What you want would require manually replacing their skills and mechanics with legacy versions every time there is a change, no matter how subtle, and maintaining every version of them no matter how often things are changed. Not everyone will want this to be the case, particularly if their Grandmasters' skills were buffed, or if a mechanic is now more favourable for their build. We would have to also prevent any new interactions, preserving the single unique map in a horrible patchwork of new and old code, and various mods to pick which ones applied to which Grandmaster, that only gets worse with time. Like I said in the message though, we can try to modify your existing Grandmaster if you prefer. That's basically us approximating what you're asking for as well as we can, within the limits of how the game works. We'll get it behaving as closely to how it was as possible, then put it back in the hall if that is what you prefer. The purpose of the resubmission is to give people the option of either keeping their Grandmaster and having us do what we can to make them work, or submitting a new one the way they want it. It's their characters, and so should be their decision. " Grandmasters actually work almost the opposite way to Rogue Exiles because they're monsters, and not AI-controlled players. Their stats are created when the monster is created, but they have their own versions of skills, which can be balanced separately from player skills. They're still not immune to mechanical changes (like leech, or War Cry triggering), but neither are other monsters. Gameplay & Level Design
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" Clearly otherwise. " Actually, I think the submission method was very well conceived. But I too thought that, once submitted, the grandmasters would stay as-is forever. I asked some related questions on the matter when they were introduced but never got a response. Ultimately, a significant reason I didn't get one was because it was a snapshot of some not fully explained sort rather than a design process. " My thought, as yours, was naive of course. GGG has always, on occasion, tweaked mechanics at a fundamental level such that even a grandmaster snapshotted with various mods would behave differently on the old and new rulesets. Probably it's too unwieldy to maintain multiple rulesets? Also, the presumption that they'd be more of a threat is bogus. They could just as easily become less of a threat as you point out by threatening to "leave her there and she can look like an idiot trying to spam a spell that now has a cooldown". " Sorry, I could be wrong but I don't believe this for a moment. [Content snipped by request] My point is, having and being able to display all of the packs appears to be so important to you that the Grandmaster Supporter could have included nothing but the forum title and I suspect you'd have purchased it because lacking one of the highest tier packs of the "set" (especially if someone else bought one) would have made you twitch. I understand the feeling all to well in some other things. ;) And if that disclaimer were present at time of purchase, you'd probably be quoting it to anyone else who complained and praising GGG's generosity in allowing you to maintain your grandmaster through inevitable balance changes and sticking to their word regardless of the isolated poor PR. I don't mean to be so adversarial, but your rant seems, at the very least, a bit dishonest and indirect. --- Given the nature of what the grandmasters are, being able to resubmit them in this way is nice and, I think, not something that any Grandmaster Supporters are really entitled to. Last edited by Durentis#4897 on Jul 29, 2015, 12:57:34 AM
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I was kind of wondering if this would be a thing or not.
I still have my original master token as i have not submited yet. Kind of interesting that we will get to change then up . In fact i was kind of waiting for a future PvP patch or some kind of crazy build to come along before i submited so i could be sure my master was diffrent from the others. @GGG I wonder if this will be something we can count on with other major game changes in the future, if so id like to know as this will change how i go about making my master. Just a sec let me grab a beer...@#*@ Ok how did I die this time
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So now everytime that stuff vets nerfed / buffed, grandmasters will have to be remade???
Sounds like such a PITA. It honestly would be better if once submitted, GGG would leave the grandmaster as it is with legacy skills. (b) Personal abuse, foul language, inappropriate subject matter, obscene, harassing, threatening, hateful, or discriminatory or defamatory remarks of any nature ... are not permitted.
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Ya my char never even made it in to the map and now I have to resubmit him just to wait and never see him in that map again with 2.0 and then 2.1 hits I can do the progress all over again? just to never see my char in that map? I'm kinda meh about it.
I even wrote Chris an e-mail before this PM that instead of my char I maybe could create a card. But they thought it would be unfair to other pack buyers (I'm of course seeing his point because there is of course a $500,- difference between the packs) But I would be willing to pay those $500 :) http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/913599 <--- mirror Thread Last edited by PaladinSMD#6827 on Jul 29, 2015, 3:00:06 AM
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This isn't intended to set a precedent that Grandmasters will be able to be resubmitted every time a balance change happens.
By and large that is not intended to be the case. For the Awakening it seemed to be an exceptional enough circumstance as to justify doing so. " Apologies for the delay. Your character was in one of the two completed wings that were intended to go in with The Awakening, before the majority of the balance changes happened, and before the resubmit was decided on. I'll have to double-check tomorrow, but based on my notes it would be one of the easier ones to adjust if you prefer not to resubmit. Gameplay & Level Design
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Will we need to inform you guys if we intend to re-submit or will that token just remain in our mtx stash even if our original submission eventually gets added in a broken state?
As a quite casual players it took me 4 months to farm the fusings to 6-link my armor for my grandmaster and get him the way I wanted. That was my best and highest level char so far but build is now completely useless and unplayable since 2.0. That in itself is fine by me, I absolutely love 2.0 and think it is the best patch yet, the complete haul over made this game really interesting again and added lots of options for new exciting build, that said though, I honestly don't think I can be arsed focusing 3-4 months on a single character to get it to an equivalent level and farm another set of 1500 fusings, yet submitting a half-finished character doesn't really give me much satisfaction either. On top of that, with the new leagues out, I would rather play those and try new builds than go back to standard to finish my second favourite character to get him ready to be submitted as GM... Any info if there will be a deadline on this or not, and how soon that may be as I really cannot make up my mind right now whether to bother with this again or not, I find levelling alts a lot more interesting than just playing one character to a proper high level... |
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Morning peeps!
Whilst I sympathise with the peeps who have issues with the way that they now need to redo a grandmaster character I cant help but feel that with a bit of thought as to the progression and ethos of the game from the start, that people, like I myself have, would naturally come to the conclusion that they would have to redo the grandmaster, in the even to balance changes, contents additions and so on. To be honest I think its great how they just don't ignore this and keep it as it is because in all honesty, the peeps who run the map would be subject to a complacent experience :) ALSO all the new shiny MTX's we can now use!!!! I just need to wait for the Infernal Chest and ill be set!!!!! GG GGG Existence is infinite, a weave of live and dead, beyond the understanding of the many mortal threads. Embrace death to honour the lost, no fear in life no matter the cost. With one of all we are and all of one we trust, throughout past, present and future...... be just. Last edited by LeHeup80#1479 on Jul 29, 2015, 7:15:53 AM
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