Mechanics thread

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Zakaluka wrote:

no crit comes with the chance-to-cause-status effects.

In terms of "which is better", crit weakness is kind of a tar baby. Unless you're built a very specific way, CW won't add much in the way of DPS. It should have a certain niche to fill, but I never really achieved the goal I wanted with it.

On top of that, chance to freeze/burn/shock stuff is entirely random on a per-hit basis. That is, if you do some AoE and it hits 10 monsters, each monster individually has a chance to ignite. Not so with crit: it's either all of them, or none. Usually.

Plain no-crit statuses are definitely good for being more reliable and spread out. Crits with status effects are very powerful but they aren't predictable.

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soul4hdwn wrote:

5 *0.3 = 1.5 *2 = 3
10 *0.3 = 3 *2 = 6

fire damage is 3-6 while physical with given information is 10-20.
added % damage instead of convert % damage.

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Kissan wrote:

You forgot a +100%

5*(1+100%+100%)*0.3 = 4.5 rounded to 5
10*(1+100%+100%)*0.3 = 9

This is true only if the 100% increased physical damage are not on the weapon.

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Shien wrote:

He did forget the 100% phys but what you wrote is wrong; increased fire is applied after the conversion:

5*(1+100%)*0.3*(1+100%) = 6
10*(1+100%)*0.3*(1+100%) = 12

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Kissan wrote:

No. Mod with "increased" are additive (except for buff with inner force but that's not the case).

You make them multiplicative with your formula. You would have reason if the mod was 100% More fire damage.

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Mark_GGG wrote:

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raic000 wrote:

That's the way it is.

Say you have 10-20 physical damage weapon and passives that increase your weapon damage by total of 100%, you'll do
20-40 physical damage

Now, if you start using infernal blow that converts 50% damage to fire that will be
10-20 physical
10-20 fire

If you have fire damage and/or fire damage on weapons bonus of, say a grand total of 50% you'll do
10-20 physical
15-30 fire

So fire portion of the damage got increased twice, and not additively but multiplicatively, which would mean that half of your weapon damage first got increased by 100% and then that total was again increased by 50% which would sum it up as not a 150% increase, but 200% (probably the main reason why those weapon elemental damage nodes were nerfed).

This is false. Additive increases are never made multiplicative by conversion.

In the above example, you have 10-20 base physical damage, half of which is converted to fire.
Thus you have 5-10 base physical damage, affected by a total 100% increase, give 10-20 total physical damage.
You also have 5-10 base fire damage converted from physical, affected by the 100% increase and the 50% increase, so a total increase of 150%. This gives a total of 13 - 25 fire damage.

Additive increases are never applied multiplicatively. That would make them broken.

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Kissan wrote:

I will quote Mark's ealier answer in this thread :

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Mark_GGG wrote:

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raic000 wrote:

That's the way it is.

Say you have 10-20 physical damage weapon and passives that increase your weapon damage by total of 100%, you'll do
20-40 physical damage

Now, if you start using infernal blow that converts 50% damage to fire that will be
10-20 physical
10-20 fire

If you have fire damage and/or fire damage on weapons bonus of, say a grand total of 50% you'll do
10-20 physical
15-30 fire

So fire portion of the damage got increased twice, and not additively but multiplicatively, which would mean that half of your weapon damage first got increased by 100% and then that total was again increased by 50% which would sum it up as not a 150% increase, but 200% (probably the main reason why those weapon elemental damage nodes were nerfed).

This is false. Additive increases are never made multiplicative by conversion.

In the above example, you have 10-20 base physical damage, half of which is converted to fire.
Thus you have 5-10 base physical damage, affected by a total 100% increase, give 10-20 total physical damage.
You also have 5-10 base fire damage converted from physical, affected by the 100% increase and the 50% increase, so a total increase of 150%. This gives a total of 13 - 25 fire damage.

Additive increases are never applied multiplicatively. That would make them broken.

Added Fire damage works in the same way (it doesn't reduce you physical damage but it's the only difference in the mechanism).