new monster

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johnKeys wrote:

sign me up for both

like Dropbears

and

don't like their current balance/implementation

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CanHasPants wrote:

What exactly do you hope to achieve? Do you expect to affect some kind of change, or are you just perpetuating a pointless whinge?

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Edit : Added strawpoll, just to gather info. Feel free to vote

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CanHasPants wrote:

I mean, I get it. You don't like them, and you've expressed that; perhaps your voice was heard and will be taken into consideration for future content releases. Certainly, there's no chance that they'll be removed from the game, but perhaps their mechanics could be made more interesting? More well telegraphed and deadly attacks are always welcome (I seriously thought Soulless Watchers were Charan's at first, because he's the one who turned me onto the idea of well telegraphed attacks). But you're offering none of that by bumping, so what purpose does this thread serve anymore?

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CanHasPants wrote:

Out of 31 votes (impressive sample) 14 (45%) like Dropbears, 4 (13%) don't like their current balance/implementation, 8 (26%) are impassive, and 5 (16%) straight up don't like them. Let democracy ring!
(That's an invitation to provide a little more than "my thread is dying; bump.")

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Charanjaydemyr wrote:

Also, you're choosing to play with the sound off, Antnee. Did you seriously think that argument would hold any water at all?

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CanHasPants wrote:

In re: Soulless Watcher: The reason I initially thought this monster might have been yours was because it came shortly after a conversation between you and Scrotie (iirc?) about well designed telegraphs. Might have been a conversation between Scrotie and somebody else? Whatever, it happened and it's something I keep in mind (since, well, I like to contemplate "what if"s, probably too much).

The "what if" surrounding Dropbears revolves around the quality of their telegraph and their potential to contribute something more profound to pack dynamics. "What if they were more like Soulless Watchers?" Granted, at this point, we know you did not have much say in their design, and their design is just fine right now (imo). But letting go of that "what if" is a difficult thing, when the other side shows you something interesting.

Soulless Watchers' attacks are exceptionally well telegraphed, and their effect can be quite damning without being directly fatal. There sems to be a positive correlation between fun/entertainment/enjoyability and how proportionate an attack's effects are to its telegraphing. Considering Dropbears, I am growing more attached to them becoming something more than "Surprise, fucker!" To do that, I see their attack being physically telegraphed (via rapidly growing shadows) and their damage augmented by a stack-able "less movement speed" debuff. Sort of like the "dropBear Trap" idea, but less of a "bash my face into the wall because fuck immobility" thing. They wouldn't be outright fatal, but their affect on pack composition would be noticeable--if you less able to kite, some pack combinations could become exceptionally deadly. I could see Dropbears finding a vauable and well received home in maps (and Endless Ledge!!) in that case.

Mind you, I'm not sure that really sticks to the plot--what Dropbears are--but so far as monster design is concerned they could add considerably to PoE's layers of complexity.

I've said before--that and $0.75 will get you a cup of coffee ;D Just my $0.75. In any case, it's in GGG's hands now.