Is Cleave still useless?

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Route1 wrote:
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BackwoodsS wrote:
I just made a dual wield phys cleaver in dumpster HC a month or two ago and it performed great. Zipped through a few mid 70 maps but DPS was low for party play.



link to tree/gear/gem set up?



I really want to make a decent cleaver


I'll send you a full run down when I get out of work.

Cleave + multi actually work great. You just need to pay attention to positioning. Using conc is a nerf to aoe and not neccessary in solo play. There are easy single target options so no need to reach on dps for cleave.
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BackwoodsS wrote:
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Route1 wrote:
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BackwoodsS wrote:
I just made a dual wield phys cleaver in dumpster HC a month or two ago and it performed great. Zipped through a few mid 70 maps but DPS was low for party play.



link to tree/gear/gem set up?



I really want to make a decent cleaver


I'll send you a full run down when I get out of work.

Cleave + multi actually work great. You just need to pay attention to positioning. Using conc is a nerf to aoe and not neccessary in solo play. There are easy single target options so no need to reach on dps for cleave.



thanks dude!
it is always better to use spectral trow over cleave
"Is there such a thing as an absolute, timeless enemy? There is no such thing, and never has been. And the reason
is that our enemies are human beings like us. They can only be our enemies in relative terms."
Cleave is better than anything with melee splash, unless you want the special effect of the attack to splash (infernal blow, glacial hammer, knockback).

Cleave has a range of 20 instead of less than 10 you can get with splash (range, not AOE radius).

Cleave will always try to hit all the monsters in the area, melee splash will do nothing if you miss the original monster due to desync or accuracy.

Melee splash dps display is misleading, it lists the main target damage, not the much lower damage to surrounding targets.
Immortal King WW Marauder build:
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/348782/page/1
ign: Peresvet
I'm planning a low-life Shav's build with Cleave for after the respec. It is a low-life, Vaal Pact variant of Exalton's Bloodseeker Dual Strike build. The aura part of the build is a bit in question, as I am pretty convinced that auras will get a pretty serious overhaul in the patch. However, I have rolled spectacularly bizarre Shav's colors that are perfect for this. Getting a Shav's without at least one blue is almost impossible, but this is really the next best thing. There are no blue damage supports that really benefit a non-crit, single-target physical attack, so leveraging the blue slot with Cleave for Concentrated or Increased Area seems awesome. Instead of Bloodseeker, I use a mirrored axe for a huge damage boost to partly offset the leech drop from Vaal Pact.

Gear:


Gems:
Cleave-Melee Damage-Melee on Full Life-Multistrike-[Add Fire/Leech]-[Conc/Increased Area]

Auras:
Hatred, Haste, Grace, and Discipline on mana and 3x Purity on Life.
I need all the aura nodes in the tree to do this without Alpha's. Some of these are not really essential. I could lose Purity of Cold without caring much at all. Haste is gravy.

Current Tree:
http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYADH0OPBB7EH8RLxGWFHEVIBcvGYYZihpsGo8c3B0UHaoeGigqKPoppSo4Kk0rCizpL28wVDyOPydCo0NjROdGcUcGSshOKlM1VdZXyVj1WfNZ_luvX2pk52aeah5tbG6qb55wu3FNcql2CHvXfNl_xoCkgwmH249Gj_qTJ5lXmZqaz5u1na6dxJ7Nn8umf6cIpzCoGKlurEesqrGztAy0xbVItfK297cxuJO-OsAawQDBxcLswzrDbcaeykrSIdkT2xrb590N4YjqGOq66yzrY-vu7BjtQfIv8931S_ba9zL3vvjr-tL7Cf-T

Hopefully the tree will change in a way that the Shadow area is less awkward to navigate. In both Shadow and near Marauder, I stretch down two paths that it is just barely not efficient to link only one way. I'd like to cut at least one of my branches to give me some room to take more physical damage nodes, but I cannot at the moment without compromising something serious. I imagine that the patch will either solve this problem or make the decision for me about what to cut from the build.
Doomed for Life
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SirDragos wrote:
I'm planning a low-life Shav's build with Cleave for after the respec. It is a low-life, Vaal Pact variant of Exalton's Bloodseeker Dual Strike build. The aura part of the build is a bit in question, as I am pretty convinced that auras will get a pretty serious overhaul in the patch. However, I have rolled spectacularly bizarre Shav's colors that are perfect for this. Getting a Shav's without at least one blue is almost impossible, but this is really the next best thing. There are no blue damage supports that really benefit a non-crit, single-target physical attack, so leveraging the blue slot with Cleave for Concentrated or Increased Area seems awesome. Instead of Bloodseeker, I use a mirrored axe for a huge damage boost to partly offset the leech drop from Vaal Pact.

Gear:


Gems:
Cleave-Melee Damage-Melee on Full Life-Multistrike-[Add Fire/Leech]-[Conc/Increased Area]

Auras:
Hatred, Haste, Grace, and Discipline on mana and 3x Purity on Life.
I need all the aura nodes in the tree to do this without Alpha's. Some of these are not really essential. I could lose Purity of Cold without caring much at all. Haste is gravy.

Current Tree:
http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYADH0OPBB7EH8RLxGWFHEVIBcvGYYZihpsGo8c3B0UHaoeGigqKPoppSo4Kk0rCizpL28wVDyOPydCo0NjROdGcUcGSshOKlM1VdZXyVj1WfNZ_luvX2pk52aeah5tbG6qb55wu3FNcql2CHvXfNl_xoCkgwmH249Gj_qTJ5lXmZqaz5u1na6dxJ7Nn8umf6cIpzCoGKlurEesqrGztAy0xbVItfK297cxuJO-OsAawQDBxcLswzrDbcaeykrSIdkT2xrb590N4YjqGOq66yzrY-vu7BjtQfIv8931S_ba9zL3vvjr-tL7Cf-T

Hopefully the tree will change in a way that the Shadow area is less awkward to navigate. In both Shadow and near Marauder, I stretch down two paths that it is just barely not efficient to link only one way. I'd like to cut at least one of my branches to give me some room to take more physical damage nodes, but I cannot at the moment without compromising something serious. I imagine that the patch will either solve this problem or make the decision for me about what to cut from the build.


melee on full life wont work if you have aura reserved on life...
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My Goddess Scorned crit ele cleave build @ 1076445
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turtleken wrote:


melee on full life wont work if you have aura reserved on life...


You are correct, sir. Recalculating.
Doomed for Life

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