mortal hope drop rate

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Veruski wrote:

if all else fails, accuse the guy who disagrees with you on the internet of crying.

that'll always wins you some debates.

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Uhh, yes. It takes forever. But how the hell do all those other people get them then, and why do they sell them? Think about that.

the same way i did. farming/purchasing

you literally quoted me explaining how people get them

are you OK dude?

And why did they sell them? Because they dont complain about not being able to do Uber

Im mad at you, because you complain about not getting to do uber, i and many others arent even doing atziri, while you are being spoiled and complain about not doing uber because of some stupid price of a thing you could even farm yourself. Its pretty easy to do like, 30-40 atziri runs to my knowledge if you are ready for uber, in like, 2-3 days, that includes farming for the midnights, or even buying them, because midnights arent by far as expensive as hopes....

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Veruski wrote:

1) i don't think "MMO content" is necessarily a good thing for PoE

2) no MMO gates high end raids behind RNG. at most they put a timer there to prevent people from spamming it too often.

this is kind of the exact opposite of PoE, where the incentives for the people can already do it are much higher, thus it is much cheaper and easier for them to run the content, actually "hoarding raids" that other people could have used or learned from.

it's not like in an MMO they go "OK there will be 327 tradable raid tickets today that we will be distributing via lottery."

never heard of that. sounds like a terrible idea. the richest team/group buys all the tickets.

sound familiar?

What? MMOs gate high end raids behind a timer AND behind RNG. If you get shitty RNG in a raid and say your main tanks can't upgrade their gear properly, there's no way you can move on to higher tier content. In WoW people farmed for weeks or even months to finally progress to a higher tier raid, the timer alone was enough of a content gate. In PoE you can run Atziri all day every day, given how common midnights are atm. Also you have nothing to do with other people hoarding uber runs, you can farm for yourself. It's not like them hoarding hopes prevents you from farming those hopes...

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Xavderion wrote:

What? MMOs gate high end raids behind a timer

I have heard of this.

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Xavderion wrote:

AND behind RNG.

Never heard of this -- citation needed. Also I have never heard of tradable raid tickets outside of PoE.

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Xavderion wrote:

If you get shitty RNG in a raid and say your main tanks can't upgrade their gear properly, there's no way you can move on to higher tier content.

That would be drops, not access to the raid content itself. That's going to happen in every game.

This is something separate. If I am geared enough, I can still not have access to the content, even if I could do it.

It's not like you can be 100% geared and ready for a raid in your chosen MMO, then click the icon to start the raid...

*Rolling dice...*

You rolled a 7! Raid disabled. Try again next week! Better luck next time.

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Xavderion wrote:

In WoW people farmed for weeks or even months to finally progress to a higher tier raid, the timer alone was enough of a content gate.

That's a matter of gear. The timer we already talked about. Still, not hearing about these randomly distributed raid tickets yet.

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Xavderion wrote:

In PoE you can run Atziri all day every day, given how common midnights are atm.

This is a gross exaggeration. I'm not sure you have the experience to really talk about this or speak about this. I do.

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Veruski wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

In PoE you can run Atziri all day every day, given how common midnights are atm.

This is a gross exaggeration. I'm not sure you have the experience to really talk about this or speak about this. I do.

If you sell the Belts and the occasional Catalyst to help subsidize your cost of buying midnights/sacrifice sets you'll come out far ahead as soon as a single Hope drops.

If you can't fund endless regular Atziri, your best option would generally be to sell the first Hope you find to get a bankroll up. The massive gem exp you get in here can also defray costs by selling leveled gems.

You can also chain Atziri by interspersing your own sets with service kills for others. (paying a set amount of ex on a Hope drop - again you don't even have to run that Hope, you could even just flip it. (I know many of the regular service people do, as I buy their hopes fairly regularly)

Overall chaining regular Atziri is at least moderately profitable. You could even say it is better in many ways than farming uber, as it dissociates the profit from the huge risks that come with Uber. (with not entirely dissimilar upsides due to Hope being worth so much relative to the costs involved with chaining Atziri kills)

all it would do is put me further economically behind all the people who are just chainstorming and hoarding all the uber kills.

it took me a fucking shitload of effort to get where i am, and there is no end.

it's just -- oh look, somebody got there first, and not only that, they happen to be extremely greedy

killing uber a few times isn't enough to them. they need to kill her thousands of times so they get four copies of every item for "insurance". after all, who could blame them?

*facepalm*

you're talking about casually spending/losing hundreds of exalts. i have no idea where this shit even came from.

i don't shit exalts. it takes me, like most people, a lot of playtime to get hundreds of exalts.

i don't RMT. i have had no "mirror drops." i don't do illegal cross league trading.

i can't just go do a sarn run and get 2 shavs drops to fund some hope sets or gear up with the best of everything. i know this sounds foreign to you, but that's how it is for most people.

Welcome to PoE: where having a simple goal of "killing uber" turns into "shitstorm of assholes hoarding everything and actively preventing others from killing uber for no discernible reason other than obscene selfishness"

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Veruski wrote:

Never heard of this -- citation needed. Also I have never heard of tradable raid tickets outside of PoE.

With RNG I mean gear drops. You need gear to progress -> RNG gate.

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Veruski wrote:

That would be drops, not access to the raid content itself. That's going to happen in every game.

This is something separate. If I am geared enough, I can still not have access to the content, even if I could do it.

It's not like you can be 100% geared and ready for a raid in your chosen MMO, then click the icon to start the raid...

*Rolling dice...*

You rolled a 7! Raid disabled. Try again next week! Better luck next time.

Drops are a content gate, if you don't get the drops you won't progress. Drops are being determined by RNG -> RNG gate. And if you're geared enough, you only have one try per week -> time gate. Way worse than what PoE does.

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Veruski wrote:

That's a matter of gear. The timer we already talked about. Still, not hearing about these randomly distributed raid tickets yet.

I just showed you how MMO gating is worse than the "randomly distributed raid tickets" you're rambling about :)

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Veruski wrote:

This is a gross exaggeration. I'm not sure you have the experience to really talk about this or speak about this. I do.

I do. It's not an exaggeration. You can farm midnights (easily farm 2-3 midnights per hour) and/or finance your midnights with your Atziri drops. Also what's the difference between talking and speaking? x)

To me it looks like you're butthurt that some people managed to have frequent acces to uber Atziri and you somehow missed out on that. You also somehow act like if the fact that those people having lots of hopes somehow prevents you from acquiring those hopes through farming Atziri. You're just jelly m8.

they aren't worse than randomly distributed raid tickets.

gated by RNG drops -> PoE already does this. content is already gated by drops in PoE. That's primarily what PoE is about. Gear drops. Everybody knows this. Everybody got the memo. If you dont have the gear you can't do the content. Welcome to ARPG's.

Raid tickets gated by RNG -> MMO's don't do this, making PoE explicitly worse, in this respect, than MMO's. I've never heard of any other game doing this, and it's horrible design.

There are no MMO's where, even if you are geared enough, you are refused a "raid ticket" out of RNG

MMO's don't give you the opportunity to hoard raid tickets and prevent other people from doing it.

that is, however, something you can do in PoE.

And yes, somebody else hoarding hopes absolutely does make it harder for me to get one, as one of the primary ways of getting them is via purchase.

There is only one other game, I have ever played, that distributed content and features to the playerbase via a random lottery. That game was EVE Online, and the lotteries were so horribly received by the playerbase that CCP Games had to basically promise that they would never do it again.

it's just shitty design coupled with an even shittier community. that's the recipe for the current state of "uber".

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Veruski wrote:

Raid tickets gated by RNG -> MMO's don't do this, making PoE explicitly worse, in this respect, than MMO's. I've never heard of any other game doing this, and it's horrible design.

Raid tickets gated by time -> ARPGs don't do this, making MMOs explicitly worse, in this respect, than ARPGs. I've never heard of any other ARPG doing this, and it's horrible design.

;)

Time gating is worse, deal with it.

If you're strictly talking about RNG gating, then don't talk about other people hoarding tickets and preventing you from doing uber Atziri (top kek, nobody is preventing you from doing anything). This has nothing to do with RNG, it's actually the opposite of RNG.

Time gating isn't worse.

I know this because I would trade the hope system for a timer in a hearbeat, no questions asked.

you want to do uber atziri but are to lazy to farm normal atziri.. please..