would GGG sell license for a "pay to win" server?

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Amekdala wrote:

I do not believe Poe will ever be p2w. There are 2 main reasons why I will continue to support this game.
1st GGG is totally against pay to win and 2nd the stuff really cares about the community unlike almost every other MMORPG games out there. I have quite a long story with MMORPG games and GGG has the best stuff so far so I respect that. So as long as these 2 things stays as they are now I will continue to support the game.

There's PoE and there's Asian PoE. On the latter you can already buy BOA orbs of regret (technically). How long before you can buy exalts?

(funny, I'm told that Asians love to grind, but it's us westerners who get the grindy version and not the wallet-stant gratification one :P)

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morbo wrote:

(funny, I'm told that Asians love to grind, but it's us westerners who get the grindy version and not the wallet-stant gratification one :P)

Don´t believe everything you are told. What the gaming companies don´t want to be known is the fact that in Asia gambling got a very long tradition and a pretty high percentage of east-asian people are gambling addicts. Real addicts. Like drug addicts. Addicts cannot controll how much they spend on the game so offering a p2w game garantees you a hell of money. Plus you don´t need to fear the gambler could ever stop playing until he and his family is completely bancrupt. That´s the reality of korean grinding. Nothing else but drug-dealing.

I actually agree with the OP... sort of. GGG could make more money if they expanded their microtransactions beyond stash tabs and cosmetics. Things I would pay for:

Ability to filter loot.
Ability to draw/write on an overlay to the skill tree.
Private leagues with what ever rulesets the game might allow (no chance to feed into regular leagues).

the game is already pay to win by proxy

long read, answering everyone here.

1) i'd say stash tabs are pay to win, not that i care. Obviously mass stash tabs are needed to fulfill certain currency recipes at a high rate = advantage in currency = paid for by cash.

again i couldn't care less, just saying. It's a little obvious.

2) even though yes i could go to a different game that allows such cash for useful item/transaction things, my main point is, GGG shouldn't be given resistance to it when it's not even on this version of POE.

if there's a market for buying fighting pets etc, and GGG doesn't want to do it on this POE, why not be able to license a game for others to do such things. To be blunt, what's it to yuh. It's like cutting off your nose to spite your face, not doing it.

AS AN EXAMPLE: it would be like Unreal Engine refusing to be licensed out to someone who wanted to make a game that has cash for fighting pets.... seriously, there is NO reason to care. It's not in your game so why bother?

if some people want it, and you don't, stay here, and we'll go there, and GGG will be all the wealthier for it.

What i don't get is how the main resistance to EVEN THIS, comes from GGG's biggest supporters it seems (judging by the comments here and elsewhere, from support this, supporter that people).

i'm glad you support this game, without you i wouldn't have a game to play i'm sure... isn't it odd though, the fact the biggest cash supporters are the biggest hindrance to their branching out and making more cash EVEN IF IT MEANS NOT DOING IT HERE but licensing it out for some other devs to do in a separate POE game, because there's a demand for it?

if you could just sever your desire for this game being no pay for fighting pets etc (which is fine for you to do), FROM what GGG allows others to do on a separate licensed POE game, you'd be doing them a huge favor cash wise, and, people like me fun wise.

AND this core version of POE would benefit from the increased cash flow AND maybe even the creations of said companies could be incorporated into POE main game (here) for free in the future... things GGG has no time to create because they'd be free so they are very low priority dev wise, but others would develop for them for their player base in the other companies, like maybe FREE fighting pets for all, a year after the other companies dev them. Or free mercs, or free what the heck ever they come up with. Could all be in their contracts that GGG could take what they want a year or so after as long as GGG doesn't charge their players $$$, otherwise reverse royalties for the other companies.

3) can't, can't... can't we all just... get along ? (haha, sorry i had to)

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Crusader_7 wrote:

can't, can't... can't we all just... get along ? (haha, sorry i had to)

That would be the biggest problem with Pay to win servers. Once GGG opens that box, the limits are just based on the server. So then we'd have non P2W PoE, we'd have slight P2W, We'd have 1/2 P2W, full P2W and BOA P2W until eventually only a handful of people were playing on each server.

GGG would have little to no incentive to balance the game, since p2W would let anyone overcome the obstacles. Killed by Desync? Not anymore - just pay 200 points a month and get invulnerability through desync damage mitigation.

Tired of doing quest to get to mapping? for 500 points get an Autorushing bot to get your character through Merciless Dominus.

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That doesn't sound like a game I want any part of. I can get a deck of cards and cheat for free. If I just want to watch dramatic action without any effort of my own, I will put in a movie.

Just my take on this.

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

Such a beautiful point, lagwin. Free to play isn't just plagued with pay to win; so often, it's just pay to get one more feature that should be standard for a game. By the time you're done chipping in for each, you've spent more than the game could ever be worth, and not because you want to...just because the game is woefully incomplete otherwise.

Could make the same point about stash tabs tbh.

On topic, you listed about 5 things which are not just p2w they are complete re-writes of game code. Mercs and fighting pets are not in the game, and who knows how much of a coding nightmare it would be to get them to work or even exist.

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Charan wrote:

Actually four complete stash tabs is more than many paid games offer -- some don't even give you an easy means to mule between characters. I get you're being facetious and antagonising, but I'll answer because I'm just fucking awesome like that.

Calling a kettle black are we? He made a legit point so i believe it is you who is being antagonising.

I expect alot more from a forum moderator if im honest.

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adania wrote:

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Charan wrote:

Actually four complete stash tabs is more than many paid games offer -- some don't even give you an easy means to mule between characters. I get you're being facetious and antagonising, but I'll answer because I'm just fucking awesome like that.

Calling a kettle black are we? He made a legit point so i believe it is you who is being antagonising.

I expect alot more from a forum moderator if im honest.

He is no longer a moderator and that tag is there for legacy purposes. He doesn't agree with the point and I don't either. You calling it "Legitimate" doesn't make it so. You have unlimited muling options in this game, some are more quickly accessible than others, that's a convenience, nothing more.

Edit; Ask Blizzard if they will even sell you extra tabs short of buying 80$+ collectors editions (for a single extra tab)..