General Discussion - PSA: Lag is Lag. Desync is Desync. - Forum

" Inaithnir wrote: " glh5 wrote: Can you please stop this posts defending GGG... I challenge you to quote the part where he defends GGG. Go on, do it. You're from the same guild as him. Whether he is wrong or right you will still defend him. yawns	Posted by glh5#3285 on May 9, 2014, 6:16:57 AM Quote this Post
" glh5 wrote: No. You BLOW guys sugarcoat and underplay the issues of the game all the time. Do you think making up these lame excuses helps the game? These are the cold hard facts: - The desync issue is reality. It actually exists. People that say they never desync are lying because they are GGG fanboy or simply blind. - The desync issue is a major issue driving a lot of people away from the game whether you like it or not. Almost all of the "I Quit" posts mention desync. And that's just the top of the ice berg because most ppl don't post when they quit. - Even if you are playing in the same data center as the GGG servers you would still desync. This is of course a theoretical situation but blaming it on network hardware infrastructure is really... I don't even have words guys. Desync is purely a software issue. - The opening post is factually incorrect. It rants on about ping spikes yet people with good jitter (<5ms) still desync. - The opening post addresses the wrong issue. Wtf? The situation you are describing is a disconnect, which actually rarely happens as the PoE servers are actually quite stable as far as uptime goes. Keepalive / heartbeat packets also have nothing to do with desync. So to conclude: please no more "guys desync is not that bad" posts. Especially not of this low pseudointellectual level. I never claimed that desync is not an issue or that I never do. I desync, a lot sometimes. I want to differentiate desync from network lag. They are two different things but many times people speak of lag as desync which it is not. I also wanted to point out that during the time after a connection drop but before the timeout, this is not desync either, it is simply that none of your actions make it to the server.	Posted by Psyborg#3642 on May 9, 2014, 6:22:31 AM Quote this Post
" glh5 wrote: " Inaithnir wrote: " glh5 wrote: Can you please stop this posts defending GGG... I challenge you to quote the part where he defends GGG. Go on, do it. You're from the same guild as him. Whether he is wrong or right you will still defend him. yawns I'll let you in on a BLOW secret: we often disagree on a lot of things. I'm not defending him because he's a guildmate, I'm defending him because you accuse him of something he didn't do. Also, you didn't actually do what I wanted you to do, so I suppose that means you can't. Neither he, nor I, nor any BLOW member will deny desync exists or deny that it's an issue. We know that. However, we also realise that GGG is very damn well aware that it's an issue, maybe the biggest issue they have. I ask the following to everyone that complains about desync (and I can actually bother answering): do you honestly think that if GGG could fix it easily, they wouldn't have done it already? A lot of people get upset at desync, and stop playing because of it. Do you honestly think GGG is not doing their best to combat desync as well as they can? " So to conclude: please no more "guys desync is not that bad" posts. Especially not of this low pseudointellectual level. He never said any of this, and his post is actually a decent attempt at explaining the issue in layman terms, so I don't really know why you are so condescending. Last edited by Inaithnir#4536 on May 9, 2014, 6:30:02 AM	Posted by Inaithnir#4536 on May 9, 2014, 6:27:49 AM Quote this Post
" Psyborg wrote: I never claimed that desync is not an issue or that I never do. I desync, a lot sometimes. I want to differentiate desync from network lag. They are two different things but many times people speak of lag as desync which it is not. I also wanted to point out that during the time after a connection drop but before the timeout, this is not desync either, it is simply that none of your actions make it to the server. You ignored the most important part of my post which is the part that debunks yours.	Posted by glh5#3285 on May 9, 2014, 6:30:16 AM Quote this Post
" Inaithnir wrote: I don't really know why you are so condescending. Threads like this are a waste of time but I will defend the last bits of sanity left on this board.	Posted by glh5#3285 on May 9, 2014, 6:31:11 AM Quote this Post
" Inaithnir wrote: BLOW BLoW, not BLOW. This message was delivered by GGG defence force.	Posted by mazul#2568 on May 9, 2014, 6:31:29 AM Quote this Post
" glh5 wrote: " Psyborg wrote: I never claimed that desync is not an issue or that I never do. I desync, a lot sometimes. I want to differentiate desync from network lag. They are two different things but many times people speak of lag as desync which it is not. I also wanted to point out that during the time after a connection drop but before the timeout, this is not desync either, it is simply that none of your actions make it to the server. You ignored the most important part of my post which is the part that debunks yours. You should really lean to read This post wants to teach players the technical and conceptual differences between: Desync lag rubberbanding FPS drops Since everyone blames desync by default. Why the fuck you're claiming OP is a blind fanboy and saying the he's defending GGG? he's actually helping everyone understanding what these 4 factors are. When the hell he said desync is not an issue or it's not annoying? Please now say me fanboy and get the fuck out from this thread, thx Last edited by Mahesys#6567 on May 9, 2014, 6:36:39 AM	Posted by Mahesys#6567 on May 9, 2014, 6:33:41 AM Quote this Post
@glh5, dude calm your tits. The post didnt say that desync doesn't exist. It said that a lot of people often put everything bad in the game under the desync denominator when it has little or nothing to do with it. The entire point of the post was to clarify a bit more the terminology so we can all start making more sense when we talk. LLD BOTW spark/arc caster guide http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1133731	Posted by andkamen#5405 on May 9, 2014, 6:38:16 AM Quote this Post
I would add that puting effort in making legit distinction between lag, fps drops and real dsync is also a bit hopeless. In the end, it always comes to people that are naturally more inclined to blame external causes when something bad happens, sadly (not only in video games) : "I lost my character to a BSOD, screw you Chris !". IGN : @Morgoth	Posted by Morgoth2356#3009 on May 9, 2014, 6:40:53 AM Quote this Post
" Morgoth2356 wrote: I would add that puting effort in making legit distinction between lag, fps drops and real dsync is also a bit hopeless. In the end, it always comes to people that are naturally more inclined to blame external causes when something bad happens, sadly (not only in video games) : "I lost my character to a BSOD, screw you Chris !". QFT Blaming the game is always easier then blamimg ourselves.	Posted by Mahesys#6567 on May 9, 2014, 6:45:02 AM Quote this Post