GGG, I have an intellectual question for you.

You can be home on Wraeclast, but you're sill exiled from Oriath, which is the only 'civil'ization we know about.

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Detaining a person, and sending them elsewhere is not "exiling"; it's abusing physics.

I'm not sure you quite understand how English words work...

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SilentOppressor wrote:

You can be home on Wraeclast, but you're sill exiled from Oriath, which is the only 'civil'ization we know about.

What makes them "exiled", Silent? Because from what I've learned, there is no direct link between a person's brain and another person's will.

I'm going to have to say the giant ocean and threat of death if they ever come back. Will/mind doesn't really factor into that. Exile is just as much a state of a person as a state of mind.

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SilentOppressor wrote:

I'm going to have to say the giant ocean and threat of death if they ever come back. Will/mind doesn't really factor into that. Exile is just as much a state of a person as a state of mind.

Here's a thought experiment.

Consider how there's a cycle: Exile commits a crime, by "deleting" someone > exile gets "deleted" from the town they were in > the head of the city is "deleting" the problem.

Now, tell me again who is the exile again? Because from what I see, it's a blame game that has exile written in every corner of its tale.

Why isn't there ever an intellectual debate based on the crime? You can't exile someone, without resorting to the nature of exile, just like you cannot fight hatred, with more hatred.

If these exiles were so powerful, why aren't they just riding a sea monster back to Oriath? They aren't "exiled" - give me a break.

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Deceptionist wrote:

How can the characters be exiles, if they are accepted by Wraeclast? Are the characters in towns also exiles - no? Then why call them exiles?

The same applies to the question "what is here?". Everything is space, so how can there be a "here"?

Read my signature.

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FusionCoreDance wrote:

Read my signature.

Yes, I get the illusion part.

What I don't get is how a character that is where they want to be, is an "exile" in reality or in illusion.

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Deceptionist wrote:

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FusionCoreDance wrote:

Read my signature.

Yes, I get the illusion part.

What I don't get is how a character that is where they want to be, is an "exile" in reality or in illusion.

The Exile is in reality but in reality is he exiled?

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Deceptionist wrote:

Detaining a person, and sending them elsewhere is not "exiling"; it's abusing physics.

The words "exiling" and "exile" have established definitions and meanings, the ones I mentioned. Yes, detaining someone, throwing them out of the country, and forbidding them to return is exiling. I don't actually understand what is unclear about that? Exiling someone is of course a physical act since it's not a voluntary decision (even if someone goes into exile, and isn't exiled by the ruling body, it is to escape oppression or danger).

None of the PoE exiles "want" to be where they are. They just make the best of the situation. They are survivors. What do you want them to do? Sit down in a corner and cry? They adapt. There may be other people who are voluntary there. Not every NPC is necessarily an exile. Take the USA for example. It is an exile to a number of dissidents from other countries. They don't want to be in the USA, but they cannot live in their home land lest they get imprisoned or killed. But not everyone in the USA is an exile. Plenty of people were either born there or moved there by choice.

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Andy wrote:

The Exile is in reality but in reality is he exiled?

If The Exile is in reality, then is it not the reality that has been exiled? The illusion can be exiled, but the person can not.

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Mivo wrote:

The words "exiling" and "exile" have established definitions and meanings, the ones I mentioned. Yes, detaining someone, throwing them out of the country, and forbidding them to return is exiling. I don't actually understand what is unclear about that?

The only thing that separates the person doing the exiling and the alleged exiled is the word "you have been exiled". The same way of seeing how absurd "exiling" is, can be accompanied by coming across people that really believe they can "curse" you.

People can't be exiled - ideas can be exiled.