GGG, I have an intellectual question for you.

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BoltThrower87 wrote:
The real question is why the rouge exiles do not attack monsters and why they don't get attacked. Also, why is there apparently a "Battlefront" when the two sides don't fight eachother, but rather exclusively attack the player? I know the practical answers but it still doesn't sit well with me. Same with exiles using Vaal skills without souls.

I always hate when very concrete game rules or mechanics are overturned for enemies (as common as it is, and knowing the practical answers to the questions).


I said somewhere else before that exiles need to be able to tag shrines.

They should kill monsters just like we do.

They need to scale with party size too, 1 exile per 1 party member so a full party encounters a full exile party. To get around the exploit of making a party after someone entered an instance i would say the exiles spawn as soon as another party member joins or disappear when a party member leaves.

Then it feels like theyre actual hostile players.

(I might be serious with only 1 of the things above.)

About the ribbons vs blackguards: Simply make them deal either no damage to one another so they can fight but not kill each other or make them deal very low damage.

Players should not be able to just sit back and watch how monsters kill each other and possibly reaping XP off it too or some other exploit.
Kiddo the only true thing you have said in this entire thread is People are idiots. Id say you must be talking about yourself, and the people who raised you and where around you in your local society while growing up as you would certainly never talk out your ass about people you have not met first hand right?;)

So then my question would be why would one who is an idiot, raised by idiots, in a land of idiots even think they have the deductive reasoning and logic to even ask a intellectual question?

Personally I would say some people are indeed idiots, base more on evidence provided by those like yourself as I grew up mostly around people with decent heads on their shoulders who knew life was far to precious to spend debating the definition of Exile when its very well define, and very ancient practice is and has id dare to say at points in time quite literally been carved into stone and upheld as the most humane way to deal with those deviant members of society.

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Idioticus wrote:
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Poutsos wrote:



Originally greeks called other cultures barbarians,which etymologically means-everyone who iis not greek.While there certainly were stereotypes,it was not used the term negatively by all greeks.In later years the word-as a description-took a negative undetone

Edit:That was off topic,i have absolutely no idea what the op is talking about


actually...

Barbarian derives from the word "barba" which means "beard".

They just called everyone else as "bearded" basically, probably cos the greeks shaved and the uncivilized didn't.


Well no,not really :P
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/417287 - Poutsos Flicker Nuke Shadow
So let me get this straight.

You ask "what is exile?"
You get a practical answer. You say that it isn't satisfactory because it's all perspective and such. You're not asking what it is to be an "exile" anymore, you've gone past that. You're asking what it is to BE anything. I would agree this thread is off-topic now because the discussion is way beyond the game.

If it's about perspective: The characters are fictional creations in the minds of the creators of the game. They don't have a "will" and are whatever the creators say they are. If they are "exiles" because a) they fit the accepted definition of an exile, and b) from the perspective of the creators they are exiles, then they are exiles. You can question what it means to be an exile all you want but it's not about the game anymore because it's already settled that the characters in the game are exiles.

The original question was answered. The philosophical questions don't have solid answers.


Spoiler

Here, I'll try to use your way of questioning on something you've said.

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Deceptionist wrote:

it's illusion - it works, but why does it work?

it works because people are idiots. a dangerous placebo effect


How does something "work" in the sense of the word you're using it? Does is work because people perceive it as working? Then whose perception decides if it works if something can work according to one person but doesn't work to someone else?
Are people idiots because you perceive them as idiots? Does your label define someone as an idiot? By people, do you mean the majority of human beings? What is an idiot? How can someone "be" an idiot if the idea is just imposed on them by someone elses standard?
What is dangerous? Dangerous to who? Isn't danger caused by a perceived threat? If I don't perceive something as a threat, am I not in danger? How can anyone not be in danger if hypothetically you are at risk of dying at any moment in your life? Is danger relative then? Relative to what? Isn't "dangerous" just a label, and your way of thinking then, something isn't defined as dangerous because of the label? Is something still dangerous to one person if it isn't dangerous to someone else, such as a plastic bag being dangerous to an infant but not to an adult?

If a tree falls down in the middle of a forest, and there's no one around to hear it, does it make a sound?

These types questions are going nowhere.


Can't it just be settled that one can be both an exile and not an exile simultaneously? The word doesn't have to apply universally.
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Stiglitz_ wrote:
If a tree falls down in the middle of a forest, and there's no one around to hear it, does it make a sound?
It creates sound waves, but with no one to interpret those vibrations as sound, it does not make a sound. Even this one has a practical answer.
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Stiglitz_ wrote:


Can't it just be settled that one can be both an exile and not an exile simultaneously? The word doesn't have to apply universally.


if there weren't any physics or fear,

whence cometh the "exile", "exiler" and "exiling"?

because if you tell me again that people can exile, I'm going to laugh because people can make death threats - people can voice their thoughts, but people can not exile "you", just like a guy can't make "you" his bitch
You will never see a man faking anger, passion and relentless behavior.

You will always see a man faking love, politeness and respectful behavior.
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Deceptionist wrote:
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Stiglitz_ wrote:


Can't it just be settled that one can be both an exile and not an exile simultaneously? The word doesn't have to apply universally.


just like a guy can't make "you" his bitch


Go visit a prison in your area and yell this. See what happens.
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DJMASTAJEFF wrote:


Go visit a prison in your area and yell this. See what happens.


Sure, but only if you include the second part of my argument - that being if there were no physics or fear, there wouldn't be an "exile" or a "bitch".
You will never see a man faking anger, passion and relentless behavior.

You will always see a man faking love, politeness and respectful behavior.
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Deceptionist wrote:
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DJMASTAJEFF wrote:


Go visit a prison in your area and yell this. See what happens.


Sure, but only if you include the second part of my argument - that being if there were no physics or fear, there wouldn't be an "exile" or a "bitch".


Just a manmeat sandwich in your face.
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DJMASTAJEFF wrote:


Just a manmeat sandwich in your face.


You clearly don't understand the argument, if you think that's possible in spite of there being no fear and physics involved for the sake of an example.

The point is that making someone your bitch or someone leave your town is not based on your actions - it's based on abusing fear and physics - without the two, the aforementioned would be impossible, let alone non-existent.
You will never see a man faking anger, passion and relentless behavior.

You will always see a man faking love, politeness and respectful behavior.

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