Really nicely presented details of your experience. This is the way it should be done. Much respect.
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pleclair wrote:
Well, I have to agree with lots of people here, D3 is much more fun now.
When I tried Path of Exile, I was tired of D3 and the state it was, and more specially the auction house (trade channel in poe)... you needed to gear up there, and drops were toned down for this same reason we see in PoE... bots increasing availability of everything...
But I was curious and sick with PoE, after spending over 1200 hours in... to resume, I bought a claw for my last build, a claw build by kirielis or something on the forum, and it worked great, was lots of enjoyment actually, until 70+... I bought my level 60 claw and never found a better one in 21 level afterwards.. I think I'm 81 or 82..
I've tried a few maps over 70, and could do a few, but never was able to come close to doing temple boss. even with 85 lightning resists I died before I could even leech.
So that leaves me griding low exp spots for endless hours, barely finding anything usable or sellable...
In 1200 hours I found 3 exalted (maybe 4, hard to remember)... and please, dont talk about trading... I tried to.. but anything under end game unique sells for crap, and dont even sell when they have low to average rolls.. people only want top rolls or perfect ones...
My build could benefit much from a BoR, and I farmed Piety/Dominus for over a week non-stop, 10 hours+ a day, and never got one, I dropped many nightmare bascinet and chanced them all, no luck either.. the same with two chests I wanted as well, but no chance at buying thru trade, since all end game stuff is 10-20+ ex...
After playing so much PoE, my feeling tells me that PoE is pay to win afterall.. only it is highly disguised...
I bought a 6 pack of premium stash tabs last week and filled it about 75% since... at first, when you start PoE, you think wow, they are so generous with 4 large stash tabs, containing multiple inventory each, but you need to stash so many things, with so little stack amount... that playing a week with fill a full stash tabs of alts alone...
If you cant or dont want to afford stash tabs, that puts you in the inability to trade efficiently, and progress at a desirable speed once you reach level 60...
Prior to that, the game is fun, you find upgrade regularly, but even white stuff level 60+ is highly diminished.. and not talking about stuff like nightmare bascinet, which in level 72-73 I was able to find 2-3 at the most when I was lucky...
The skills system is nice, the passives tree is awesome, but the way the game is designed currently, around trading is highly detrimental... and I highly doubt PoE will be around 5 years from now in this very same state it is now...
At least blizzard was honest enough to admit they did something wrong and fixed it with RoS.. I havent purchased RoS yet, but I still enjoy D3 a lot as it is, and plan to purchase RoS as soon as I can.
I doubt I will come back to PoE unless something major is to change... and I hope its not the arrival of an auction house to help trading even more..
And on the gambling side, I never was a casino addict, but I tried my luck in some online poker in its first days, and I had the same feeling of losing all (well, never lost much anyway and stopped before it became a problem) when I "crafted" in PoE...
Grinding endless days to gather a tiny amount of orbs, and going thru all of them in 5 mins trying to desperatly craft something to replace a piece of gear 20 level lower than I was...
If that is hardcore for you.... then we dont have the same definition of hardcore.
So I hope GGG does something and learn about their mistakes...
If you see so much people advocating PoE is fine as it is, it might just be those people are benefitting from it because they either rmt or have their luck in a time were PoE were overly generous maybe...
Had much fun playing PoE, and I hope the skills system and passives will follow on to more games down the road... its a brilliant system.. even the orbs are nice, but not if they are calibrated around bots drop rate.
Thanks for the enjoyment GGG and wish you guys the best, and hope you fix things up in the future.
Sorry but this logic is not sound. EVery person I know that has gone through steam leaves steam but not the game.
What he said ISlogic, what you counter it with is personal opinion. He offered verifiable, objective data, and his rationale is sound.
Everyone *I* know who played PoE, and who stopped in the months after release, was using Steam and never even considered using the standalone client. And I used to use the standalone client and then linked my account to Steam (more convenient). That, too, is too subjective to matter.
It is, however, more reasonable to expect the number of players who play through Steam to grow at a faster rate (since release) than the number of those who use the standalone client, because Steam is the undisputed major PC platform, and as such, it's advertising power is appropriately strong. (And genre fans already played before.)
What should really make you think is that GGG removed the /online command. Now, if for some reason only the Steam numbers had fallen through the floor, but the in-game numbers had not, why would they do that?
Actually, in your rage, you failed to notice that mine was PARTIALLY opinion. The fact that people are leaving steam platform because it reacts like crap to POE is a FACT, not an OPINION. It is on their forums as well. So yes, while I included my opinion, I also included a fact. No point in arguing it, most people know steam sucks as a host as far as connectivity and speed.
Accusing Kripparian of being paid by Blizzard is ridiculous. I'm not overly fond of some of the stuff he pulled in various games (exploiting bugs), but he's undoubtedly done more for promoting PoE than any other streamer.
If he plays D3 now, it's because he's enjoying it more or because more people are interested in it. I have zero interest in the D3 expansion, don't play it, don't plan on playing it (too shallow and none of the issues I had with the game were fixed), but Krip's anything but a Blizzard shill.
And I'm not surprised that people have more fun with D3 than with PoE in its current state, even if it doesn't appeal to myself.
D3 is a game, PoE is like a relationship with a highly bi-polar partner.
And yet the only games he'll even try now are Blizzard games. Even though there's a better version of every one of them.
Really nicely presented details of your experience. This is the way it should be done. Much respect.
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pleclair wrote:
Well, I have to agree with lots of people here, D3 is much more fun now.
When I tried Path of Exile, I was tired of D3 and the state it was, and more specially the auction house (trade channel in poe)... you needed to gear up there, and drops were toned down for this same reason we see in PoE... bots increasing availability of everything...
But I was curious and sick with PoE, after spending over 1200 hours in... to resume, I bought a claw for my last build, a claw build by kirielis or something on the forum, and it worked great, was lots of enjoyment actually, until 70+... I bought my level 60 claw and never found a better one in 21 level afterwards.. I think I'm 81 or 82..
I've tried a few maps over 70, and could do a few, but never was able to come close to doing temple boss. even with 85 lightning resists I died before I could even leech.
So that leaves me griding low exp spots for endless hours, barely finding anything usable or sellable...
In 1200 hours I found 3 exalted (maybe 4, hard to remember)... and please, dont talk about trading... I tried to.. but anything under end game unique sells for crap, and dont even sell when they have low to average rolls.. people only want top rolls or perfect ones...
My build could benefit much from a BoR, and I farmed Piety/Dominus for over a week non-stop, 10 hours+ a day, and never got one, I dropped many nightmare bascinet and chanced them all, no luck either.. the same with two chests I wanted as well, but no chance at buying thru trade, since all end game stuff is 10-20+ ex...
After playing so much PoE, my feeling tells me that PoE is pay to win afterall.. only it is highly disguised...
I bought a 6 pack of premium stash tabs last week and filled it about 75% since... at first, when you start PoE, you think wow, they are so generous with 4 large stash tabs, containing multiple inventory each, but you need to stash so many things, with so little stack amount... that playing a week with fill a full stash tabs of alts alone...
If you cant or dont want to afford stash tabs, that puts you in the inability to trade efficiently, and progress at a desirable speed once you reach level 60...
Prior to that, the game is fun, you find upgrade regularly, but even white stuff level 60+ is highly diminished.. and not talking about stuff like nightmare bascinet, which in level 72-73 I was able to find 2-3 at the most when I was lucky...
The skills system is nice, the passives tree is awesome, but the way the game is designed currently, around trading is highly detrimental... and I highly doubt PoE will be around 5 years from now in this very same state it is now...
At least blizzard was honest enough to admit they did something wrong and fixed it with RoS.. I havent purchased RoS yet, but I still enjoy D3 a lot as it is, and plan to purchase RoS as soon as I can.
I doubt I will come back to PoE unless something major is to change... and I hope its not the arrival of an auction house to help trading even more..
And on the gambling side, I never was a casino addict, but I tried my luck in some online poker in its first days, and I had the same feeling of losing all (well, never lost much anyway and stopped before it became a problem) when I "crafted" in PoE...
Grinding endless days to gather a tiny amount of orbs, and going thru all of them in 5 mins trying to desperatly craft something to replace a piece of gear 20 level lower than I was...
If that is hardcore for you.... then we dont have the same definition of hardcore.
So I hope GGG does something and learn about their mistakes...
If you see so much people advocating PoE is fine as it is, it might just be those people are benefitting from it because they either rmt or have their luck in a time were PoE were overly generous maybe...
Had much fun playing PoE, and I hope the skills system and passives will follow on to more games down the road... its a brilliant system.. even the orbs are nice, but not if they are calibrated around bots drop rate.
Thanks for the enjoyment GGG and wish you guys the best, and hope you fix things up in the future.
Accusing Kripparian of being paid by Blizzard is ridiculous. I'm not overly fond of some of the stuff he pulled in various games (exploiting bugs), but he's undoubtedly done more for promoting PoE than any other streamer.
If he plays D3 now, it's because he's enjoying it more or because more people are interested in it. I have zero interest in the D3 expansion, don't play it, don't plan on playing it (too shallow and none of the issues I had with the game were fixed), but Krip's anything but a Blizzard shill.
And I'm not surprised that people have more fun with D3 than with PoE in its current state, even if it doesn't appeal to myself.
D3 is a game, PoE is like a relationship with a highly bi-polar partner.
And yet the only games he'll even try now are Blizzard games. Even though there's a better version of every one of them.
orly please do tell cause nothing beats d3 right now and what competes with hearthstone?
And yet the only games he'll even try now are Blizzard games. Even though there's a better version of every one of them.
If you want an ARPG with persistent online servers, what choice is there? D3, PoE, and D2. Everything else is either peer-to-peer, strictly single-player, or a MMO. Maybe that Marvel game, but I never checked it out. He played PoE excessively for a long time, so I can see why he wants something new. Like I said, I have no interest in D3 and I'm done with this new Blizzard, but RoS added quite a bit more for all players than PoE's SotV expansion did (the whole Atziri thing really put me off).
I never looked at Hearthstone, either. Played Scrolls, Infinity Wars, and backed Hex (initial alpha client was bad, so didn't check again since it started, and should do that), so no idea if HS is good or bad. SC2 is one of the few competitive RTS titles with proper leagues and a competitive scene, so I can see why he might play that, if he does. Also wasn't my cup.
I’m playing D3-ROS now and having fun. I don't think I'll be back anytime soon. I like POE a lot, and spent most of my time playing the last 8 months and supported GGG where I can. But I think I'm just done. Burnt out on repeating quests to get to higher difficulty for each new character. Act 1 is the perfect balance, the rest are not. D3 handles this so much better now, just select difficulty level and go. I could go on and on, but the overall experience has been good in POE. I’m just butt-hurt on the whole end-game (it’s a mess right now…IMHO…just too many factors going on)…so I’m done.
I know I won't be missed, but I think I'm OK with that.
