Vaal orbs wont be valuable at all

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fillfill wrote:
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tikitaki wrote:

What?

It's a matter of utility and demand. Chaos are more directly useful than Vaal Orbs, will be used in greater quantity, and have the same rarity.

That makes the chaos a price ceiling for the vaal orb (again, assuming there isn't a giant backlog like there is right now on the legacy leagues)

It's really not that complicated.


False. It's a matter of SUPPLY and demand. Assuming chaos and vaal orbs have the same drop rate, the majority of chaos floating in the economy is from the chaos recipe.

Personally i make ~10 chaos from the recipe for every chaos orb i drop

So unless there is an equivalent recipe for vaal orb, chaos orbs supply will far exceed vaal orbs.

Demand is more difficult to predict. Remember chaos orbs can only be used to roll rare items and maps, while vaal orbs can be used to roll pretty much everything. I can't wait to get enough vaal orbs to roll all my shit uniques and some mid tier rares, but i'm not keen to roll anything with my chaos orbs except maps, but that's just me.


for you PERSONALLY you might get 10x chaos per 1 you find, but I can tell you from experience that's not true overall.

by far the most chaos orbs are generated by them simply dropping.

and it remains that chaos are also more useful and have more utility. vaal orbs will almost certainly stabalize below a chaos orb, in all leagues, given time.

eg lets say you want to corrupt your maps. you only need ONE per map, period end.

if you want to CHAOS your map? lol.
Last edited by tikitaki#3010 on Mar 6, 2014, 6:28:32 PM
I saw someone roll +1 to max curses on enemies on Araku Tiki amulet today.If this implicit mod would be rolled on some items it would make them worth MUCH more,it would also possibly be goal for people wanting BiS amulet.
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tikitaki wrote:
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fillfill wrote:
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tikitaki wrote:

What?

It's a matter of utility and demand. Chaos are more directly useful than Vaal Orbs, will be used in greater quantity, and have the same rarity.

That makes the chaos a price ceiling for the vaal orb (again, assuming there isn't a giant backlog like there is right now on the legacy leagues)

It's really not that complicated.


False. It's a matter of SUPPLY and demand. Assuming chaos and vaal orbs have the same drop rate, the majority of chaos floating in the economy is from the chaos recipe.

Personally i make ~10 chaos from the recipe for every chaos orb i drop

So unless there is an equivalent recipe for vaal orb, chaos orbs supply will far exceed vaal orbs.

Demand is more difficult to predict. Remember chaos orbs can only be used to roll rare items and maps, while vaal orbs can be used to roll pretty much everything. I can't wait to get enough vaal orbs to roll all my shit uniques and some mid tier rares, but i'm not keen to roll anything with my chaos orbs except maps, but that's just me.


for you PERSONALLY you might get 10x chaos per 1 you find, but I can tell you from experience that's not true overall.

by far the most chaos orbs are generated by them simply dropping.

and it remains that chaos are also more useful and have more utility. vaal orbs will almost certainly stabalize below a chaos orb, in all leagues, given time.

eg lets say you want to corrupt your maps. you only need ONE per map, period end.

if you want to CHAOS your map? lol.


I'm curious - what "experience" are you talking about exactly that makes you so sure about that? Did you hack GGG's database?

The only logical argument that may support your theory is RMT dumps chaos orbs into the economy - is that the "experience"?

And how did you conclude chaos orbs are more useful and has more utility? Using currency on maps is only one of the many to consume it - can you chaos a gem? A unique? A strongbox?
Does it really matter if the orbs are 'worth' anything? They are fun to use. Who cares? Everyone whines that Exalted/Eternal orbs are too rare and now people are whining that Vaal orbs are too common and not valuable enough?
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Nephalim wrote:
vaal orbs are the ultimate form of gambling in poe.

Wait for orbs that can be applied on your characters, you become a corrupt exile(Rogue exile) you either get [+20 levels / +20 max levels] or -20/-20(max= 80)
It can also reroll the char => Your Marauder becoming a witch.
Your build is obviously rerolled randomly.

No further regret orbs can be used.
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CliveHowlitzer wrote:
Does it really matter if the orbs are 'worth' anything? They are fun to use. Who cares? Everyone whines that Exalted/Eternal orbs are too rare and now people are whining that Vaal orbs are too common and not valuable enough?


the thread is about an observation.

what's even more surprising is that you are such a ridiculously bitter person that you interpret even random observations as negative criticism.

if i pointed out that the sky is blue in PoE, you would probably accuse me of crying about how the sky is blue and that it's all an attempt of mine to secretly get them to change the color.

grow up.
If I read this forum for as long and as consistently as CliveHowlitzer, I would be bitter too. This is a negative place. There are a lot of artistic nerds here.
Want to Fix the Economy, Bad Loot, Trade and Legacy PvP? pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/548056
Open Letter to Qarl on Crafting Value pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/805434
Biggest Problem with Mapping: Inconsistent Risk to Reward pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/612507
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Veta321 wrote:
If I read this forum for as long and as consistently as CliveHowlitzer, I would be bitter too. This is a negative place. There are a lot of artistic nerds here.


Think you mean autistic.
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tikitaki wrote:
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CliveHowlitzer wrote:
Does it really matter if the orbs are 'worth' anything? They are fun to use. Who cares? Everyone whines that Exalted/Eternal orbs are too rare and now people are whining that Vaal orbs are too common and not valuable enough?


the thread is about an observation.

what's even more surprising is that you are such a ridiculously bitter person that you interpret even random observations as negative criticism.

if i pointed out that the sky is blue in PoE, you would probably accuse me of crying about how the sky is blue and that it's all an attempt of mine to secretly get them to change the color.

grow up.

Uhh...angry much? I think you are responding to one post of mine and summing up my entire personality from it? Good for you!
Its funny since I am probably the least bitter person on these forums. I think you may be taking my post a little too seriously.

That said, I am not really surprised there isn't any kind of market for them. However, I also think it is too early to say.
"Danger is like jello, there's always room for more."
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Last edited by CliveHowlitzer#0568 on Mar 6, 2014, 11:28:06 PM
I don't get how there can't be a market for them. Chance to turn a level 1 blank gem into a 23% right off the bat? Or, a 20%, or 17%. Or a level 2. If there's no vaal equivalent, then that's it, other than the chance to do nothing.

I'd say those odds seem in favour of making vaal orbs worthwhile.
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