GGG should probably address the player retention rate

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Hell_Bovine wrote:

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munkytos wrote:

I like when bad players or people that ultimately won't like a game, blame it on the game.

I like when bad devs make a game that players dont enjoy, blames it on the playerbase

Thats pretty ignorant to say. I dont like turn based strategy but that doesn't make Civ 5 a bad game. Please gtfo.

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evilcloud5 wrote:

Fan boys at their best^^. This game isn't that good TBH, and there are many problems that put people off right at the start. Has nothing to do with today's gaming population.

You've been a member since 2011. There's not a single game I've considered "not good" that I've played for more than a week, most times one session. I can't think of many games I'd consider stellar that I've played over a month. You're working towards 3 years here and you don't think the game is good?

...and before "I haven't been playing every day since I joined" crap, I never even think about games I didn't like again. Nevermind visit their forums over 2 years later to say the game sucks.

You may be annoyed by fanboys but it makes more sense than what you're doing.

Also its pretty pathetic to think that spending more money on a game than the next person entitles you to anything.

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Moosifer wrote:

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evilcloud5 wrote:

Fan boys at their best^^. This game isn't that good TBH, and there are many problems that put people off right at the start. Has nothing to do with today's gaming population.

You've been a member since 2011. There's not a single game I've considered "not good" that I've played for more than a week, most times one session. I can't think of many games I'd consider stellar that I've played over a month. You're working towards 3 years here and you don't think the game is good?

...and before "I haven't been playing every day since I joined" crap, I never even think about games I didn't like again. Nevermind visit their forums over 2 years later to say the game sucks.

You may be annoyed by fanboys but it makes more sense than what you're doing.

Didn't say the game is not good. I'm saying that the game is not as good as he's making it out to be. Anyone that doesn't like POE belongs in this group? "it's just that 99.9% of players are super hyper tasteless casuals." POE is a decent game, but not the end all be all.

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evilcloud5 wrote:

Fan boys at their best^^. This game isn't that good TBH, and there are many problems that put people off right at the start. Has nothing to do with today's gaming population.

I might be a fan, but I'm not blind to the many problems this game has. I report - I've reported on them all the time. And even after all this time, many are still not fixed or even seemingly in the process of being fixed.

But PoE still stands head and shoudlers above most games today - if you doubt this statement, please bring out some titles or a meatier explanation for us to discuss. Anyway, this sad fact should be enough to suggest that the problem does stem from today's gaming population.

Today's gaming population is coddled, at best, inexperienced, impatient, myopic, dispassioned, and unskilled at worst.

I got to level 50 in HC on my first character - an Iron Grip Bow Marauder. This was back in 2011, of course, totally different game, but there was nothing even back then that repulsed me about this game. The fact was that I was reasonably skilled at games and could slowly figure out mechanics, even if many mechanics in PoE are not intuitive... the game was not bad, even then. Hell, PoE back then in its unfinished state was still better than most F2P games - of course, this isn't saying much, most F2P games are unplayable thanks to P2W hypercasualization facebook social media buzzword buzzword buzzword.

There's nothing wrong with the base game of PoE that should turn players away. It's everything you could expect from a game offering you a challenge. It could have more in-game information on stuff and lots of things can still be polished or improved, but the overwhelming fact is a majority of gamers today just play minecraft or Battlefield. If PoE doesn't fall under a similar genre or appeal, players don't have the patience or the skills to handle it.

I think the problem is that "hardcore" ARPG is a niche genre and many people won't like this genre in the end because of the grind, annoying trades, the learning curve and how anti-casual this game can be. A lot of people complain against this game even tho it has great potential.

Also I believe people got spoiled by Diablo 3, specially the AH. Many have high expectation of PoE but feel deceived in the end for the reasons I mentioned earlier.

Another thing is the fact that the game is "so 1999" and many are turned off by that even tho D2 was a very successful game.

As long as the game stays hardcore like it currently is, the game is bound to be niche so don't expect a lot of people to stay for long.

BTW I'm just reflecting what people tend to think of the game, I personally don't have major issues with PoE; I like pure ARPGs and difficult games like PoE, but most people don't.

And it is supposed to be bound as a niche game.

If you want to play D3 or "the latest AAA ARPG" you'll be more than accomodated. This game is supposed to be for "us" - that group of real-life gaming exiles, who are marooned on an island because hey, fuck you guys for liking innovation, design, style, substance, or gameplay.

Obviously PoE isn't perfect. I wish it were. I don't think I've ever claimed that, but it does a lot of things right and the developers here are worth sticking with because I've been playing RPGs for years now and I've never found a game like this, where the developers actually didn't streamline shit -- because I guarantee you, you go to any other game forum right now and that's probably what you'll deal with. I was in LoL's CB and I saw how that whole thing turned into a piece of shit, each patch making the game more and more casual, it was a disgrace.

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

People who pay more should logically expect more, demand more. In the Real World, that's how it works, like or not. It's only in this weird reflection of reality that those who pay more for the same product may be more satisfied than those who pay *nothing* for it.

It's a donation, though, not a payment for services. I've actually seen A LOT more supporters complaining as of late, but many have gone so far as to remove/hide their supporter tags.

Eh, I go through supporter mood swings. :P

And it's not a donation -- it's a voluntary payment. A donation is a financial transaction with no real promise of recompense. That's not what's happening here. Call it 'support' because that' it is. you don't HAVE to buy these things, but you are buying them if you choose to. It might be a donation in an emotional sense but in reality, it's a purchase.

I hope you're joking because this is not the case. You're not buying a share of something. You're not buying into some elite group of people that dictate the direction of the game. You willingly give them money to support their cause and to aid them. Their recompense if you will is them producing the game itself, for free and free to play. Other than that they don't owe you jack shit.

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ing because this is not the case. You're not buying a share of something. You're not buying into some elite group of people that dictate the direction of the game. You willingly give them money to support their cause and to aid them. Their recompense if you will is them producing the game itself, for free and free to play. Other than that they don't owe you jack shit.

Uh, you got your own unique weapon into the game and other shit for your "donation" so it wasn't really a "donation".

I'd have loved to get my own unique into the game if I'd had the money back then. Totally worth it, even if the price was a little high.

You paid them for a service (design my unique and put it into the game for me and others to play with!) in the good faith too that they would produce a good game with your money.

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I hope you're joking because this is not the case. You're not buying a share of something. You're not buying into some elite group of people that dictate the direction of the game. You willingly give them money to support their cause and to aid them. Their recompense if you will is them producing the game itself, for free and free to play. Other than that they don't owe you jack shit.

They don't "Owe" us anything, yeah. On paper, I agree. But if you think that donating the sometimes absurd amount of money that people do doesn't earn that person at least an ear, then you have lost your grip on reality.