Would you support a 6L Orb that cost X fusings?

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syrioforel wrote:

This. Except the last sentence XD.

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tinko92 wrote:

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syrioforel wrote:

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TheWretch wrote:

it's a terrible idea and goes against the fundamental principles of an RNG based game. So, no. Even if you made it 1000000 fusings to guarantee a 6L I would still be against it.

That's a fair opinion to have.

Might I ask why you don't think leveling should be RNG-based? :) (If you have that opinion)

Depends on what you find as a leveling process.

I find this map system degenerate to the maximum, PoE is the very first game where you had to be extremely lucky or wealthy in order to level efficiently (playing high end maps instead of 70 lvl maps to hit 100th level).

D2 had it right there, what an excellent idea: /players X, if you can handle harder content, then you should be able to progress faster.

So, we're not talking about build strengths (6L, etc...), we're talking about ones basic leveling progress, which is denied by luck.

Absolute garbage right there.

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eebertay wrote:

right...after the fact.

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back on topic.

guarenteed 6L is catering to the "participation" generation, where you get a reward for participating...

you know who you are...

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syrioforel wrote:

That's true, right now leveling does have some RNG element to it.

The big point I was trying to get to (and never did, due to a derail) is the following:

As is, PoE has some elements that are entirely RNG and some elements that award steady progress. This can be seen in different facets of the game. Experience gain is steady, but finding (and rolling) maps is an RNG-based process.

Crafting has some RNG parts: right now, fusings, jewellers, and chaos orbs are random, and you can bias the rolls a bit in your favor as far as fusings/jewellers are concerned by applying quality to your gear.

On the other hand, there are aspects to crafting that are not RNG-based. Quality adding items (gcp,scrap,whetsone) do not just re-roll your quality, they add it. There are recipes for adding (or improving) a single mod to (on) a white (blue) item. There are recipes for generating orbs that would otherwise drop only by RNG.

So the question of the thread is whether or not linking should be possible without needing lucky RNG rolls. I think this is a reasonable question worth debating. It's a subtle thing to consider. I don't think it's a stupid question (or at all deserving all this "QQ l2p" nonsense).

That there are now several pages where I have to debate whether or not the question is outright stupid is a more than a bit distressing.

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tinko92 wrote:

6L-ing does not require skill, knowledge and not even time investing, because, you may never 6L an item, even if you use 20000+ fusings.

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Contradictory is present, I saw people here talking how 6L's would be very common if a "6L orb" would cost 1500 fusings, please, tell me how is that possible? If an average 6L is in around 1000 fusings.

That would mean, that there should be far less 6L items in the game if given longer time period.

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There wouldn't be 6L's in 3500 fusings, there also wouldn't be 6L's in 3 fusings.

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syrioforel wrote:

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eebertay wrote:

right...after the fact.

As opposed to?

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back on topic.

guarenteed 6L is catering to the "participation" generation, where you get a reward for participating...

you know who you are...

The reason I give people shit is comments like this. Are you implying that anyone that thinks this idea has any merit whatsoever just want a reward for doing nothing?

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eebertay wrote:

look, its pretty obvious RNG hasnt served you well, which is why you want this guarenteed 6L item, to satiate your QQing

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i noticed a good amount of your characters are in sc leagues...so imagine the 6L's that will find their way into the standard markets (as if there arent many already)

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syrioforel wrote:

True, but very unlikely at that point!

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syrioforel wrote:

Considering only the fusing attempts that target 6Ls, and supposing the same number of fusing orbs are involved, it would indeed reduce number of 6Ls in the game.

Well, there could still be both. You could decide if you want to engage in the high-risk of using fusing orbs or not, though. You could also roll fusings with the intention of stopping once you hit 5L, and let 6Ls be a happy accident.

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syrioforel wrote:

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eebertay wrote:

look, its pretty obvious RNG hasnt served you well, which is why you want this guarenteed 6L item, to satiate your QQing

I've never attempted to 6L. I don't particularly want a 6L. I wanted to debate the question.

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i noticed a good amount of your characters are in sc leagues...so imagine the 6L's that will find their way into the standard markets (as if there arent many already)

(Almost) all those chars are dumped from the 4 month leagues.

EDIT: Forgot I had one or two from pre-Anarchy days.

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eebertay wrote:

but the crafting mechanic tying into the currency is insanely smart becuse it exploits a risk/reward scenario


you remove the risk, youre left with reward and then what?