Leech is mandatory. No other form of regen can rival it.

That same person need to invest points to get instant leech. If a caster, he needs to sacrifice a gem slot. If you get it on gear, you need to sacrifice other potential stats. Even with Carnage heart, you need to sacrifice 25% hp to use the leech (and the other stats on it aren't that good).

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shroudb wrote:

so... if you spend a ton of passive pooints you can get the same results as someone who has a few leech items? that's your solution?

3 passive points for the flask nodes in the duelist/ranger area is not a ton.

Item mods are worth much more than passive nodes btw.

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faerwin wrote:

That same person need to invest points to get instant leech. If a caster, he needs to sacrifice a gem slot. If you get it on gear, you need to sacrifice other potential stats. Even with Carnage heart, you need to sacrifice 25% hp to use the leech (and the other stats on it aren't that good).

You just need 2% leech from physical damage as physical bow user on your aoe. On your single target dps, you can use life leech.


Carnage heart is overkill and sacrifices important stats :D.

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mazul wrote:

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faerwin wrote:

That same person need to invest points to get instant leech. If a caster, he needs to sacrifice a gem slot. If you get it on gear, you need to sacrifice other potential stats. Even with Carnage heart, you need to sacrifice 25% hp to use the leech (and the other stats on it aren't that good).

You just need 2% leech from physical damage as physical bow user on your aoe. On your single target dps, you can use life leech.


Carnage heart is best in slot and important as melee :D.

fixed that for you

I dunno, rare amulets can roll with as much as 6% life leech. Might cost you an arm and a leg compared to Carnage Heart, but, especially if you're dealing pure physical damage, you can easily cap off with 8 or 9% leech from gear and passives.

Anyway, yeah leech or lifegain on hit is needed in almost every build. I would actually love to see a unique or passive that says something along the lines of: 100% more ES cooldown recovery, you cannot regain energy shield through any other means. That would leave you with around a 1 second delay with all the nodes invested, but even that wouldn't be good enough I suspect.

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Kechop wrote:

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mazul wrote:

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faerwin wrote:

That same person need to invest points to get instant leech. If a caster, he needs to sacrifice a gem slot. If you get it on gear, you need to sacrifice other potential stats. Even with Carnage heart, you need to sacrifice 25% hp to use the leech (and the other stats on it aren't that good).

You just need 2% leech from physical damage as physical bow user on your aoe. On your single target dps, you can use life leech.


Carnage heart is best in slot and important as melee :D.

fixed that for you

Really? I'm surprised people consider carnage heart anywhere near BiS. I'd rather have higher HP while still getting 4% leech on my ammy. I rarely even use any lifeleech gear as a melee char.. 2% from passives is usually enough.

and the 2% from the passiv tree is right next to 2 12%increased maximum life notes^^

Remove BM mod from maps as other stupid mods.
OR add phys immune/ele immune/chaos immune/NO LL(LGoH)/NO totems etc mods for map.

GO GO GO GO!

Um get your ES up to 10000+ and use the Bloodance, Regen aura, and passives with Springleaf with arctic armor up and mind over matter

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syrioforel wrote:

Life leech also forces the game into a position where difficulty is introduced through one-shotting mechanics.

There's no inherit connection between the two, though. You do have to keep doing damage in order to survive, but leech doesn't "force" a game design where you can be one shot. Difficulty can be increased by higher mob damage that requires the player to get more leech or more damage, as well. An argument could be made that perhaps leech scales too well with damage, but how much you can leech per second is already limited, so I think things are fine the way they are.