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Epicurwin wrote:


The idea that atheist need to give an answer for "creation" doesn't make since to me. The most logical answer to the universe existence, at least as far as I see it is, "I don't know."


I probably shouldn't weigh in here, but I like this topic :P The above answer is the correct one... we don't know.

Atheists, by definition, claim to know there is no God(s) while theists believe there are. I see very very little difference between the two, except that Atheists operate from a less complex/random/arbitrary set of beliefs.

Most Atheists are ACTUALLY Agnostics but too stubborn or ignorant to admit it; Most ideally and simply make the claim that they do not know... because truth is we don't know... there are so many things we don't know, and it takes a very honest, secure, strong, and introspective person to be comfortable with the fact that we do not know, nor will we probably ever know.

No matter what type of logic you think you see in the Universe existing as it does, that is no excuse for making up answers for it that you cannot possibly know or verify. That is both lying to yourself, and lying to others, and it's evil... if you do believe in a God that watches you, then the biggest injustice I can imagine against that God would be claiming an understanding of that Universe when you have no idea.
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iamstryker wrote:
Not to start a debate or anything but at this point in time there really isn't much rationality to the universe existing without some kind of creator. So your critique in logic to those who believe in God is something I find a little odd.


Yes? Tell me, why would an all powerful being create this universe again? Oh yes, he wouldn't, there is absolutely no reason to, as he would know everything that would happen in the universe before he even created it.

If you actually knew what logic was, and how to use it, you would see that what you just said is absolutely wrong, and stupid. Logic does not point towards a creator of any kind. Logic points towards quantum fluctuations. But you obviously don't even know the difference between an electron and a gluon, so explaining such things would be a waste of time. I wouldn't be surprised if you thought the earth was 6000yr old and fossils were created by satan.


But in the end, we will never truly know. Because we can confirm quantum fluctuations, but then we ask why those exist, and why the thing that causes them to exist, exists, and so on and so on, infinitely. The same goes for a God. What created God? What created it? Again, infinitely asking the same question. But as I said, a "god" would have no reason to create the universe, and so he wouldn't.
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zeto wrote:
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Epicurwin wrote:


The idea that atheist need to give an answer for "creation" doesn't make since to me. The most logical answer to the universe existence, at least as far as I see it is, "I don't know."


I probably shouldn't weigh in here, but I like this topic :P The above answer is the correct one... we don't know.

Atheists, by definition, claim to know there is no God(s) while theists believe there are. I see very very little difference between the two, except that Atheists operate from a less complex/random/arbitrary set of beliefs.

Most Atheists are ACTUALLY Agnostics but too stubborn or ignorant to admit it; Most ideally and simply make the claim that they do not know... because truth is we don't know... there are so many things we don't know, and it takes a very honest, secure, strong, and introspective person to be comfortable with the fact that we do not know, nor will we probably ever know.

No matter what type of logic you think you see in the Universe existing as it does, that is no excuse for making up answers for it that you cannot possibly know or verify. That is both lying to yourself, and lying to others, and it's evil.


Actually, atheist by definition lack a belief in a god. Very different.
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Epicurwin wrote:
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zeto wrote:
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Epicurwin wrote:


The idea that atheist need to give an answer for "creation" doesn't make since to me. The most logical answer to the universe existence, at least as far as I see it is, "I don't know."


I probably shouldn't weigh in here, but I like this topic :P The above answer is the correct one... we don't know.

Atheists, by definition, claim to know there is no God(s) while theists believe there are. I see very very little difference between the two, except that Atheists operate from a less complex/random/arbitrary set of beliefs.

Most Atheists are ACTUALLY Agnostics but too stubborn or ignorant to admit it; Most ideally and simply make the claim that they do not know... because truth is we don't know... there are so many things we don't know, and it takes a very honest, secure, strong, and introspective person to be comfortable with the fact that we do not know, nor will we probably ever know.

No matter what type of logic you think you see in the Universe existing as it does, that is no excuse for making up answers for it that you cannot possibly know or verify. That is both lying to yourself, and lying to others, and it's evil.


Actually, atheist by definition lack a belief in a god. Very different.


Belief is based on what people think they know. I see no difference.
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The belief that god doesn't exist and the lack of a belief in a god are two different things. One is a claim the other is a disbelief of a claim.
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Epicurwin wrote:
The belief that god doesn't exist and the lack of a belief in a god are two different things. One is a claim the other is a disbelief of a claim.


All I see are equivalent commutative semantics. Despite the word order being different there is no functional difference.

belief
god
~
exist

~
belief
god
(exist)

positive belief in false
negative belief in true

If you are assuming the progenitor to be theist, then perhaps your semantic makes sense, but I don't think that's the case, theist and atheist are two sides of the same coin, created at the same time as binary inverses.
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zeto wrote:
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Epicurwin wrote:
The belief that god doesn't exist and the lack of a belief in a god are two different things. One is a claim the other is a disbelief of a claim.


All I see are equivalent commutative semantics. Despite the word order being different there is no functional difference.

belief
god
~
exist

~
belief
god
(exist)

positive belief in false
negative belief in true


Lack of belief is not a belief. There is a difference.
hilarious thread.

Religion has proved again and again to be the thorn in human advances, and to what extent cruelty can find it's ways by using "in the name of..." they may use whatever inhumane ways to kill and dispatch. I am no atheist but thinking religion is an answer to a scientific question is beyond the realm of stupidity in this day and age.

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